The death penalty...what good does it do?

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's called prior precedent. Unfortunately very few cases are exactly the same in all their details.
     
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    I guess there's a billlion-to-one possibility of that; but then this isn't a perfect world.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe it's complete coincidence the suspect's DNA got to be at the scene of the crime. Maybe someone put it there.

    Could it be, for example, a hair stylist decided to visit her friend after work and a hair from one of her customers fell off? In a small town there could be a lot of coincidences.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Getting rid of paedophiles would save plenty of money . . . and it would ensure they'll never violate another child. Win-win?
     
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    Another billion-to-one possibility??
     
  6. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The problem is there are a 50 million of these billion-to-one possibilities.

    If you see what I'm saying..
     
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    I'm afraid I don't. And I say again, this isn't a perfect world, much as idealists might wish it were.
     
  8. Chester_Murphy

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    True. So would getting rid of any criminal who cannot stop what they are doing. You lost me. It's an interesting consideration. Can you elaborate?
     
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    Only paedophiles, because paedophilia is no ordinary crime.
     
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    the death penalty is a deterrent.

    punishment shouldn't really be part of it.

    That's stupid. Dead people use far less resources then living people.
     
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    Why did you bring it up? It didn't fit with my post. I'm confused.
     
  12. cerberus

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    Yiou mentioned in your post 'any criminals who cannot stop what they are doing', and I simply said that paedophiles aren't 'any criminals', they're mutants of the human race.
     
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    What did this below have to do with...

    ...this post below?

     
  14. Chester_Murphy

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    Do you have a story that "knifes" your heart and mind? By the way, thanks for answering.
     
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    You were talking about saving money? 'Isn't the court system unfair . . . Wouldn't all of my previous post save plenty of money?'

    Sorry if I misunderstood. It happens sometimes on forums.
     
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    No, but I have a visceral hatred of paedophiles, who use their overwhelming strength against the weakest in our society to abuse them in the most awful ways imaginable. You do know what they do, I presume?
     
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    I propose a new, humane, efficient, painless and expedient form of capital punishment that will completely eliminate the cruel and unusual argument. An airtight closet is built with a comfortable lazy boy chair and a side table with shot glass and tequila. Over the course of an hour the air is slowly replaced with Helium. The individual inside has no idea he is falling asleep while he gets drunk and never wakes up.
     
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    I do my very best not to think about it in any detail. It's too heart wrenching for me. I don't know if I could sleep well with it on my mind. I got angry as hell because that woman killed not one, but two infants of her own. I was pissed. I kept thinking of holding my little girl(in a rocking chair in the hospital) right after she was born and crying because she was so beautiful and helpless. My heart melted. I knew I'd lose(give) my life for her, if necessary.
     
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    I feel exactly the same, CM, and I suspect only a parent would understand? I'm off for a long walk now . . .
     
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    No killer that murdered someone that was put to death ever killed again.
     
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    I don’t think that there is any reason to debate the question, America is finally about to get into step with the other civilised nations. Execution isn’t and never was a deterrent to murder and if one innocent person is put to death then the State is equally guilty of the same offence.
     
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    Money can by you anything even you’re life, especially in America.
     
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    Surrendering to "The State" the power to kill citizens in cold blood is the hallmark of China, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the United States, an alliance that leads the world in the practice that has become virtually obsolete in advanced, democratic nations.

    What is so mystifying is that proponents of the practice, cynical and wary of government in so many respects, either blithely assume the infallibility of "The State" in deciding whom to slay, or they accept that innocent folks will incur the consequences of an inherently imperfect government.

    Of course, to a far greater degree than its fellow leaders in taking the lives of the citizenry, the US has devised a system under which no wealthy person is ever its victim.
     
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    The U.S. government routinely kills people in "cold blood". Do you really think most people the U.S. military kills has any real chance of fighting back? Or even knowing that death is coming.

    Killing without assigning individual guilt is pretty much one of the points of government in the first place.
     
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