“Black People Unite!” After Proposal by Black Racist – South Africa Votes to Confiscate Land from Wh

This has already been debunked so regurgitating nonsense doesn't make it any less nonsensical.

 

Go ahead, keep doing it...

 

Racist white supremacists committed atrocities under the apartheid regime but you don't seem to have any concerns about those, do you?

 

I already told you to keep doing what you're doing. Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

 

Go ahead, keep doing it.

 

Go ahead keep doing it. your slandering me, I encourage you to keep doing it...

 

And let's not forget that the racist white supremacists committed murders during the 50 years of the apartheid regime that only ended 25 years ago.

What Mandela "promised" was a compromise not all that different to the compromise that our Founding Fathers achieved when they wrote the American Constitution. The South African Constitution contains a provision in their Bill of Rights that property rights are protected and compensation must be paid if the government wants to take it away from whomever owns it. Just like the US Constitution there is a method to pass Amendments but it requires a 2/3rds majority vote and that was not achieved by the ANC bill.

As far as the allegations of "white genocide" goes that appears to be largely based upon hyperbolic racist disinformation rather than factual data. Yes, there are murders but not anywhere close to what is being alleged to amount to "genocide".

 

Keep going, keep doing it...

 

You need to "educate" yourself as to what the term actually means.

I am just posting the facts from my research.

Too bad you haven't been able to provide any at all.

 

Keep doing it...Keep minimizing and justifying the murder of White European South Africans. Please, by all means keep doing it so the forum can see you for what you are.

 

You think you're funny?

 

The henocide doesn't start in a day. It has some road to it. First go propaganda. Then goes the law accepted by the majority. Then starts the henocide. If we look at how it happened in Nazist Germany we would also find a long road from a truly depressed "Veimar republic" to death camps where jews were ... processed for fertilizer or furniture. It didn't start the second day when Hitler came to power.

The jews of Germany or Poland were unwillingly but by themselves getting into the railway carriages as the law prescribed them. Only few did defend themselves from the very beginning or fled into other countries before the massacre. Nowadays the people have more knowledge and information about it. This is why they won't wait till ANC passes the law and fixes the problems with constitution.

There need to be zero tolerance to murders because of the color of the skin or with the motives of racial hatred. At least half softer than it exists now in western Europe towards homosexuals and transgenders. At least! When you face a 100% of genocide against white people in S.Africa it would be too late.

The very attempt to make a law against the whites from ANC needs to face a strong protest firstly from S.Africa itself. There are plenty of ways for a political party to seize power ignoring democratic procedures. It can happen any day. And sporadic murders performed by groups covered with information propaganda (tell me whatever you want, but covering severe crimes referring to its small number IS propaganda, while overexagerating the risks of its increase is a very natural human reaction) can get systemic.

Let's have a look on Russia as an example of some bad events. E.g. one guy from opposition was killed in front of Kremlin. We have a propaganda around it blaming Putin. BUT if my state would tell that it is not a problem and only opposition guy was killed etc - it would be a problem and I would support the demand to find and punish the criminals. So far only the actual murderers were found. The guys who ordered the murder were not - and that IS the problem.
We also have a much less bias about homosexuals in Russia. But if we had a law in Russia which would restrict homosexuals of studying or limit their rights of the citizens I (as an orthodox I don't like homosexuality at all) will be against. For two reasons. Firstly, it is just illegal and wrong. Secondly, the corrupt guys will come after me a day, a week, a year or a decade after. If the state starts to solve problems with limiting someone's rights they will sooner or later spread this technique to other citizens. It's just like it happened under Hitler... If you think - germans lost more people than even jews, because of his policy.

 

My own research indicates that the police do find the killers of farmers and bring them to justice in South Africa.

This article is quite long but it provides a fair and balanced picture of what is actually happening and debunks the racists BS about "white genocide" in South Africa.

https://www.huiskerk.co.za/farm-murder-statistics-in-perspective/

FTR the ANC have now been in power for something like 25 years. They must be really taking their time if they do want to start any "white genocide".

The REALITY is that there are both black and white farmers in South Africa and blacks are victims of these attacks too. This image says volumes.

 

Well. It was an interesting reading. So first of all thanks.
1. I support the motivation of the author of these articles. He seems to be sincere.
2. The statistics about murders seem to be manipulative from both sides. The hard time with murder rate looks to be an even more complicated issue, which also deals with migrants. The whole South African region looks awful about the rating. And the real problem in such a situation is certainly the criminal level. Farmers are risking if they live in the farms. The author of the article compared not the figure for the country, but the figure for the region and this index is actually much worse if you compare it separately. South Africa is around countries which have a very corrupt maphia regime or have a kind of civil wars.
3. I changed my mind about the problem and will be interested in further materials on the topic. IMHO something is going very wrong in the whole region. Perhaps it's unemployment or migrants (basically you need LOTS of people who have nothing to do in order to have such a quantity of murders). I can't tell that the country is safe for the whites under the circumstances because with such a level of crimes anything can happen. I can't tell that current government doesn't have anything to do with it, because basically it is up to the state to be responsible for this. The statistics can also show that the whites are living behind the walls investing (wasting) a fortune for safety, while the hatred towards them around the walls is flooding the streets and damaging the black population.
4. I surely understand that the racists and white racists and their revanchism couldn't have gone too far since times of civil war. And I fully heard elements of propaganda from a friend of mine. So even speaking of the whites and the blacks we can't really divide everything into black and white (hopefully this pun doesn't sound too racist). I still believe that the civil war has broken something in S.Africa. Something important.

 

From what I have gathered a great deal of the problems stem from the apartheid era. To be fair the infrastructure was modernized and the basis for a sound economy was in put in place but it was at a terrible price that was paid for by the blacks of South Africa.

There was no "civil war" that was even remotely similar to the carnage that occurred in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe to the north. It is my opinion, based only on conjecture, that the negotiated end to apartheid was achieved because neither side wanted to engage in the same level of bloodshed. From the black perspective I believe that they would have done so because they had nothing to lose. From the white perspective they had everything to lose and they already had problems with whites emigrating and refusing to serve in the armed forces. The end result was the compromise that is South Africa today. Credit goes to Mandela and his white counterpart for rising above the fray to reach a peaceful settlement.

The next significant thing that struck me was reading the testimonies from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/

That made peaceful coexistence between blacks and whites possible IMO. It detailed the atrocities on both sides and had the effect of lancing the pent up hatred rather than allowing it to fester. In that regard I must give a great deal of credit to the wisdom of Bishop Tutu. If we had something like that in America after our Civil War a great deal of the ongoing racism that we deal with on a daily basis would not exist in my opinion. Granted that is speculation on my part but when I look at the transition that South Africa has undergone it must have been a major factor.

You are right that crime in South Africa is rampant and that is hardly surprising given the poverty levels and lack of jobs. Speaking of which the future for South Africa appears to be considerably brighter than one might expect.

http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2015/08/17/south-africa-demographic-lift-growth

https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/o...for-greatness--but-governments-must-act-fast/

https://hbr.org/2016/09/these-6-sectors-of-africas-economy-are-poised-for-growth

The key to the above happening is the ANC government and whomever is in charge. President Zuma was in the same mould as our current BLOTUS and Zuma did a great deal more harm than good to South Africa from what I have seen. However his replacement appears to be someone who could take advantage of those opportunities.

http://theconversation.com/who-is-cyril-ramaphosa-a-profile-of-the-new-leader-of-south-africa-89456

If there is anyone who could make it happen it would be Ramaphosa. If he does then jobs will be more plentiful and crime will decrease just as happened during the Clinton Administration and the tech boom. Hopefully it will happen for the sake of all of the peoples of South Africa.

Those are some of my thoughts and research. They conflict with the narrative that the white supremacists are spouting and I have found nothing to support their racist narrative. It is telling that they can't support their narrative either.

 

It's hard to understand people who hate you. It's hard to talk to them with a cool head. But it needs to be done. If you skipped some jokes and patiently repeated that murders of white farmers are not acceptable as any other murder there could have been more cooperation between you and Jimbo... I think... Anyway I wish luck to S.Africa.

 

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I believe I mentioned Obama's Pigford scandal in his attempt to set up reparations to the Black populations of America.
See:
Pigford I Consent Decree: '40 Acres and a Mule'
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2010/12/06/pigford-i-consent-decree-40-acres-and-a-mule/
Following is a portion of the opinion written by Judge Friedman: Forty acres and a mule. As the Civil War drew to a close, the United States government created the Freedmen’s Bureau to provide assistance to former slaves. The government promised to sell or lease to farmers parcels of unoccupied land and land that had been confiscated by the Union during the war, and it promised the loan of a federal government mule to plow that land. Some African Americans took advantage of these programs and either bought or leased parcels of land.
By 1910, they had acquired approximately 16 million acres of farmland. By 1920, there were 925,000 African American farms in the United States.

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EDITORIAL: USDA's Pigford fraud
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/2/usda-s-pigford-fraud/
Feb 01, 2011 · Race hustlers are shaking down taxpayers for payoffs, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is falling for the scam. ... USDA’s Pigford fraud. The controversy involves a discrimination claim against the USDA for allegedly denying loans because of race. A federal judge approved payments of $50,000 or more based on low levels of proof. This encouraged a mad scramble for cash based on false claims.

Unfortunately you cannot turn back time and reality has to set in. Rather than attempt to discuss America, the subject is the genocide that continues to occur in South Africa. But I appreciate your attempt to deflect the issue from White to Black.

 

South Africa Facing White Genocide, Total Communist Takeover
https://www.thenewamerican.com/worl...acing-white-genocide-total-communist-takeover
South Africa Facing White Genocide, Total Communist ... against white South African farmerswere ... to confiscate the farmers’ weapons ...

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In South Africa, One Question Dominates: How Much Longer ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/03/...zuma-ramaphosa-african-national-congress.html
Feb 02, 2018 · With a rival’s election as the leader of the ... When will Mr. Zuma cease to be SouthAfrica’s ... sure that the A.N.C. can win elections,” said ..

My son's fiancee is from S. Africa and they lost their farm to the government and now live in Johannesburg. They've been seeking to immigrate to Australia or New Zealand and to date have had no luck in acceptance.

 

I'm actually pretty unfamiliar with Malema's actual policies. I know of the tendency of reactionaries to exaggerate anything bad that happens to white people, so I'm going to do my own investigating before I make up my mind on the severity of his wrongdoing.

EDIT: my verdict is that he sucks. i'm not opposed to buying out land from a minority that has disproportionate control over it, but there needs to be some form of compensation and the actual mechanisms need to be race-blind so that they will automatically cease to have a racial bias once material conditions do

 

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I've given the factual evidence. What facts do you have that would counter them...?

The Gruesome Reality of Racist South Africa - Frontgate Mag
http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/The_Gruesome_Reality_of_Racist_South_Africa.pdf
March 11, 2013 - By Arnold Ahlert
For decades, the country of South Africa was the focus of an international rallying cry against the injustices of apartheid. On June 17, 1991, South Africa’s Parliament abolished the legal framework for the practice of racial persecution. In 1994, Nelson Mandela and his Marxist African National Congress (ANC) assumed the reins of power. The international community looked away, satisfied that justice had prevailed. They continue to look away, even as South Africa has degenerated into another racist pit, best described by an Afrikaner farm owner: “It’s politically correct to kill whites these days.” (read more)
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South Africa White Genocide Escalates: International Groups ...
http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/south...escalates-international-groups-seek-solution/
continues to outshine his predecessor by stepping up hate speech against Afrikaners. ... of Southafrican blacks ... genocide in SA, and no other evidence ... The daily escalation of murders in and around South Africa has drawn recognition from International groups seeking a solution for this crisis. The term genocide is the deliberate killing of large groups of people of a particular race or ethnic group. The country’s whites are the victims of racial killings spiraling out of control. The pointless and often brutal slayings have no agenda or motive by the attackers and often it is the innocent, elderly, and young who become victims.
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Their claim of genocide includes the murders of farmers, men women, and children who have been tortured, raped, and then killed. It is estimated that since 1994 over 70,000 whites have been murdered in cruel and often horrifying ways. The murder rate is four times higher than that of the general population.

 

https://www.huiskerk.co.za/farm-murder-statistics-in-perspective/

 

Wow, German's now supporting their dry run for the holocaust. I didn't realise things had sunk so low.

 

Cry me a River. I only Care for my people.

 

Well just so we know. You support this genocide, the later concentration camps where most died and the death camp, the ideas of which were later taken up by the Nazis - see end of video. I take it then you support the Holocaust given that German's created all kinds of lies as to how the Jews were a danger in just the same way as they did with the Herero and Namaqua people. I will say that at that time it was the German citizens on hearing about it who demanded it be stopped. I had not realised that systomatic genocide was not a one off for the Germans.

At least I know just what you support now. If you are a fair example of East Germany, the world had better watch out.