German Interior Minister Horst Seehofer: 'Islam doesn't belong to Germany'

Unbelievers includes Jews and Christians. Here the Jews are referred to as unbelievers.

[2.89] And when there came to them a Book from Allah verifying that which they have, and aforetime they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieve, but when there came to them (Prophet) that which they did not recognize, they disbelieved in him; so Allah's curse is on the unbelievers.

Here Jews and Christians are referred to as unbelievers

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
[9.31] They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one God only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him).
[9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/k/koran/simple.html

Or here
http://cmje.usc.edu/religious-texts/quran/

with three English translations from 3 Muslims, to see there really isn't any problem with translation. Especially when dealing with who they are instructed to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers

 

How about you find out and report back?

 

The thing is, that ISIS/Al Qaida etc got like just 0,0001% of all the Muslims fighting for it's ideals, while 100% of Muslim nations fight ISIS. That includes the most hardcore Muslim nation of all, Saudi Arabia. So it's obvious they all are right, and you and ISIS are wrong.

 

[9.6] And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

 

If defending our nation is nazi, so be it. Then i wear this label with pride.

 

Well, Im an atheist so I believe they all got it wrong. And you would need to argue that all Muslims got it wrong from 632 until the 1920s when the Caliphate was abolished.
Im thrilled that most Muslims don't advocate fighting against the unbelievers to establish, expand and defend the caliphate. Doesn't change the fact that the Koran, literally commands them to "fight", "kill", "slay" and "smite the necks" of the unbelievers "until..... religion is only for Allah". Sunnis refer to the first four Caliphs as the "rightly guided" Caliphs. Within 80 years of Muhammads death they were waging violent Jihad in Afghanistan to the east and Spain to the West to expand the rule of Islam. ISIS emulates the rightly guided caliphs

 

Does nothing for the argument that Jews and Christians aren't "unbelievers"

 

I only spot a person who doesn't respect it's countries very own constitution protecting religious rights.

 

And that's where you're wrong. The Koran doesn't command that. If it did, we would have been in WWIII.

 

It does everything for how to treat them. Muslims must protect them when they ask for it. And all you got is how Muslims can treat others when they are being attacked.

 

Yes, I wake up with my terrible agenda of hate for the sake of mean evilness after I took a drink of a (muslim by the way) baby and put my favorite SS uniform. I read the whole surate 9, there is no all mighthy context that change what I'm quoting.

At least 3 people got killed, again, by djihadis. That's hatred. What I do is criticism, I know it's unbearable for you and you tend to put on the same level murders and criticism.

 

That is just again ignoring that a Muslim must protect a non Muslim when they seek it....
It's in the Quran.

What you do is attack an entire religion of billions because of what 0,0001 do, not what 99,99999 do.
You know the % of Americans with a criminal record with a felony? It's 8%. lol

 

Illegal migrants have nothing to do with religion, and a constitution can be changed if necessary. If something doesnt work, it must be corrected.

 

Here's the situation:





There's a very good report:

http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/

 

Thats exactly why finally the elites react. In a way im thankful for what happened in 2015. It created a shock event and people woke up. We would not have so mamy far right government now in europe. We would not have deportations ect. If it went slow and steady, we would have been doomed. That way counter meassures started.

 

Yeah, I don't have a doubt it could be in the Quran. It's called "absolute power" - being right always, no matter what - when fighting the infidels and when protecting them, when lying and saying the truth, loving and hating at the same time, catch-22...

 

If, when taking a walk in a German town, you can still hear the phrase "Scheiß Ausländer!", perhaps there is a hope for Germany and Europe.

 

You can hear that alot in east german towns xD

 

The point I was making (tongue in cheek, but it obviously rolled off the table) is that if there's more than one version then it becomes ambiguous, and followers can pick and mix: for example, they can choose to follow the peaceful version or the global expansionist extreme version, and that's when problems begin - as we're now seeing in the practicalities, the difference being that the so-called moderate Muslims are the peaceable ones, and the self-proclaimed 'soldiers are Islam' are the jihadists, but all of them are subscribers to the same Koran??

 

So what are you telling me ? That the people who died yesterday were wrong because they didn't asked to muslims their protection ?

The problem is deeper than that. First, there is not only terrorism, there is an important problems of criminality and agressions who target specifically non veiled women and white people among french muslim population.

The second is to look at what look a true muslim country. Algeria ? A country who fell into civil war with their own extremists and where a christian was put in prison for talking of his faith to muslim. Egypt ? Only three religions authorized, bombing weekly against copts and they're slowly disapearring and most Egyptian doesn't seems to care, children are taken from their mother because she isn't muslim anymore.

Wherever there is Islam, there is death.

For me, there is three categories of muslims : the pacifist, ambiguous and the radical.

A lot of muslims without supporting the murder of Charlie Hebdo were saying they deserved it.

20 % of baby born in France have a muslim name. And the number was slighty underestimated because some names were not considered because used by other religion but very rarely and mostly given as muslim name.

 

[9.6] And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

No it's called... context. You're no scholar and know less than Jon Snow. You just can not read 1 line form an entire book and go like... I know what this is about. That's just utterly stupid.

 

You got to be kidding me you actually think anybody is mixing shia and sunni religion.
Because it far more obvious that ripping the Quran out of context is far more part of the white far right wing.

 

Hey spare us the bullshit. You are the one who wants shot german officers doing their job.

 

Oh we're not worried about that, your muslim clearing will-be-a-cop-after-I-pass-my-exam selph will be on the job soon. Sharia on my friend.

 

How about that the Muslim is wrong? After all,... the entire muslim world is at war,... actually hand to hand combat, against these people.

Wherever Americans are, there is death. Far more death.
I noted this before that 8% of their population committed a felony crime.
And that's besides they are with their massive machines of war all over the globe, and start wars all over the globe.

That's because France had far more territory on muslim land than on christian land in the past.