German Interior Minister Horst Seehofer: 'Islam doesn't belong to Germany'

Germany is beginning to wake up! Now even the new government Minister of the German Interior, is stating publicly that Islam is not part of German culture!

Links: http://www.dw.com/en/german-interio...fer-islam-doesnt-belong-to-germany/a-42999726
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ister-declares-islam-does-not-belong-country/

The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, whose governance has brought many thousands of Muslims pouring into Germany for years was quick to criticize him, of course....

 

a day late and a dollar short dont yah think?

 

They got rid of the Jews so they can't say that of them. Islam is what is left.

 

A guy states the obvious and a whole lot of people disagree. That seems to be par for the course these days.
H. C. Anderson's story about the Emperor's clothes was a prophecy that came true. State the obvious these days and you can end up in deep bleep.

 

the Germans where trick by Hitler to get rid of the jews so it wasn't voluntary like the Muslims are now..

 

Duh!

Germans should ask their southern cousins, the Austrians. Austrians understood what Islam is, when Vienna almost fell into Turkish hands. Unlike Germans (who had millions of Turks for decades) they learned their lesson.

 

It is very much Germany moving towards a similar position which led to the ever worsening treatment of Jews. Could hardly be more similar. He represents the Germany reflected by a regular poster here. He is the one concession given to the right in the recent coalition and it is a powerful concession. He is the head of the new ' Interior and Heimat Ministry' - the word Heimat itself is bringing an emotional presence to his Ministry

http://www.dw.com/en/a-deeper-look-at-germanys-new-interior-and-heimat-ministry/a-42554122

So we can imagine how he is going to make people feel good about being German if one of his first acts is to say Islam does not belong when the country allowed in something like one million Muslims in 2015. It most certainly is not an offer of inclusion to those refugees.

above link.

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I think we can see that in Germany like much of the West the far right are gaining a footing and this man clearly illustrates it. He is responsible for getting people to feel German and about the first thing he does is say Islam, which represents hundred of thousands of vulnerable refugees cannot be.

So yes very much like the situation we had in the 1930's with Jews. They were the Refugees fleeing Eastern Europe and Russia whereas the Muslims are the Refugees fleeing wars in the ME. Then as now we are in a long term recession. Then as now we saw a rise in the far right around the West not just in Germany. It is not even possible to argue that Jews were angels and Muslims are not. Zionism included terrorism and it is difficult to think that the UK dropping leaflets into Germany after they wrote the Balfour Declaration telling Jews to stop fighting as they were to have a homeland in Palestine did not affect many people's feeling towards Jews. Then with Jews as now with Muslims, all Jews were blamed for the actions of a few and then, as now, emotive nationalism was used to bring people on side.

 

German Interior Minister Horst Seehofer: 'Islam doesn't belong to Germany'

True but if Germany doesn't change its ways, Germany may belong to Islam.

 

Yes that is another example. The Nazis believed Jews were taking over their country too - although with Jews they were taking over the world!!

Basically it is all done by propaganda, particularly emotional. I mean really how could anyone imagine a country of over 82,000000 are going to be taken over by 4,000,000 people many of whom are trying to recover from hell. Just like how could the Nazis imagine 500,000 Jews would take over a country of 61000,000. With Jews they saw them as being of an inferior race, not religion.

Here's some of their propaganda about Jews.

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/rim3.htm

We see similar about Muslims nowadays

 

Not forgetting that there is also a rise in antisemitism. Anyone who believes that they can start a hatred of only one ethnic group is fooling themselves.

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Man-h...illed-arrested-at-Latvia-Nazi-SS-march-545309

It is because it is basically a way of thinking and once we allow that way of thinking in it is not going to stick to just one ethnicity.

There is a good introduction to propaganda and how to avoid it in this lesson plan for teachers, looking at how the Nazis managed to win people over. It is pretty much the same now.

https://www.facinghistory.org/resou...njustice/nazis-in-power-propaganda-conformity

 

Jews were part of Germany for centuries, probably over 1,000 years. They were an integral part of Germany. They were European.

Muslims are a sudden invasion, like locusts. With an alien culture.

 

We wont. We fight them and we kick them out.

The far right AfD is strongest oppossition in parliament now. The System parties are in panic. And thats good. The pendulum swings far right. Islam has no future in Germany and wont have a future in Europe as a whole.

 

We dont want them in our nation. This is OUR land. The land build by our fathers and mothers. They are alien to us and we will not accept them. Never. They can recover in the shithole they came from.

 

Muslims have been part of Europe for Centuries too. Muslims are not an invasion. By saying that you have a loudspeaker shouting where you are coming from.

 

Yeah, we all heard of those jews who commited bombing before Hitler rise.

What is the plan of muslims ? You just have to open the quran to know :
Quran, surate 47 verse 35 :
So do not weaken and call for peace while you are superior; and Allah is with you and will never deprive you of [the reward of] your deeds.

So muslim are encouraged to not "call for peace" when they are superior. It means that when muslims have an advantage or are a majority, they have to start a war. That's not me who says that, but the quran.

What Islam says about Christian and Jews ?
And they were not commanded except to worship Allah, [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion.
Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.
Quran Surate 98, verse 5 & 6

So not only the quran consider jews and christian as the worst of creatures because they rejected the quran, which is an open door to kill them, but the quran encourage muslims to wage war in the countries they come in.

That german minister don't think that people who want to start a war have a place in their country, apparently, refusing to be murdered make you a racist.

 

Mama Merkel ain't gonna be happy with that. Yappy yes, happy no.

 

Since Muslims first came out of the desert and laid siege to Damascus in 635 A.D., just about everywhere they have gone has been an invasion.

 

They are an invasion. They ruin evrything where they get a hold.

That said, they can never be German. German is an ethnicity. You are born a German. Its in once blood.

Just because you want be a lion doesnt make you one. A rat born in a horse staple wont become a horse.

 

To even the most casual observer, there is an ENORMOUS difference between the German Jews of World War I, the 1920's, and the 1930's and today's Muslim influx.

German Jews had, in most cases, been German citizens going back many generations. During World War I, many German Jews fought valiantly for the Kaiser and the German Fatherland and were highly decorated for valor. In the 1920's it is true that a large number of Jews aligned with the very visible, very popular German Communist Parties, but most never took an anti-German position, per se... because, after all, they were Germans, and had never been anything else!

Muslims in Germany after World War II...? Totally different thing altogether. They were imported mostly from Turkey during the massive rebuilding that went on in Germany, and the Turks were relied on for doing a lot of the menial labor that was required everywhere in Germany, and in other parts of Europe that had been devastated by the war. The decades rolled by, and many of these 'temporary workers' became permanent residents, and more of them came. Frequent wars and upheavals in the Middle East brought the huge migrations from there, and also, from North Africa.

Perhaps the biggest difference overall in the present between the Jews and the Muslims in German society is that the Jews had been willing to assimilate (without compromising their religious beliefs), starting hundreds of years ago, and adhere to mainstream 'German' standards of hygiene, civilized social behavior, a love for order and decorum, tolerance for other people, etc. The same can not be said for Muslims in Germany, or anywhere else in Europe, unfortunately. And you may believe this if nothing else -- more and more Germans are getting sick and damned tired of it!

 

Poland is East Germany !

LONG LIVE PRUSSIA !!!!

 

Oh you are misreading me. I am not saying Jews in the 1930's were identical to Muslims now. I am saying the world situation and the way Nazi Germany responded to them, beginning with propaganda is what is going on with Muslims now. Having said that the situation was much the same. We were in a long time recession. Germany and the rest of Europe were taking in vast numbers of Refugees from Eastern Europe and Russia escaping pogroms in just the same way as Germany in particular has a lot of Refugees now. ( Most European countries do not have a problem with massive Muslim Refugees though the far right report that they do, just nonsense. I have heard many times people writing that Britain has when in reality we have only taken in about 4,000 and they have all gone to councils who believe they can look after them well)....and of course fascism had begun - instead of dealing with issues which need to be dealt with, fascists put a face on the difficulties and blame that face for it. In the 1930's it was the Jews. Now it is the Muslims and Mexicans if you are American. People would do better at sorting out their real problems.

In the 30's fascism was flirted with throughout the West including the US. Now certainly it is being flirted with again. Time will tell how far it goes.

and during many centuries if it was that long since they had last been thrown out, they were treated like worms. See that is the thing. It is an attitude.

I am well aware of that. Did that make any difference to the Nazis. Of course not.

This doesn't make much sense. The important thing is that the Nazis made them the bogey man in exactly the same way as modern fascists to be make Muslims. In addition remember there were a lot of poor refugees fleeing the east.

of course they are different. I was not saying Jews and Muslims are the same. I was saying the attitude of the far right to Jews in the 1930's and the far right to Muslims now is the same.

Hmm why does this sound somewhat white supremacist.

and of course many of them are citizens of Germany.

Wars started in the main by the US. The US should understand that what they do has consequences. Further the 2015 mass of refugees with others getting Syrian passports was a direct response to an invitation by Merkel - or what was leaked as an invitation by Merkel. She said Germany could manage 500,000 a year for a few years. Obviously no country can easily manage so many refugees as Germany received in 2015, particularly without prior preparation.

Oh for God's sake. Where do you get that from. That is not what Germans thought at all. Indeed complaint about them not assimilating is one of the other things they have in common. Of course the other question which would need to be asked is who was/is stopping integration

This of course was not the case for either German or Jewish women, Refugee Jewish women finding it toughest of all

https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/germany-1750-1945

He does then speak of both Jewish men and women by various means integrating.

Many Jews then gave up their religion. One of the reasons why when people got into racism they started to imagine Jews were of a different race. There is always a way to keep one's prejudice going.

However I can tell you that I have been around when we had a big Muslim immigration 60-80's and I can tell you that I noticed that they tried very hard to integrate. most of the young ones giving up religion wearing Western dress and in every way wanting to be integrated into society. What stopped that was racism - against 'Pakis' in the UK. On top of that came 9/11 and in the next two weeks there were, I think it was 280 attacks on British Muslims and property. That was when they all became Muslims and dressed as Muslims. Now there were also some who had joined the groups the Government had allowed the Saudis to set up which taught them an Islam totally devoid of that they came from but that of course was the West and its friendship with Saudi Arabia allowing British Muslims to be indoctrinated....and funnily enough what many of them said drew them to these groups was not a desire for religion but a desire to get away from the racism and feel a sense of belonging.

As above. You are totally wrong. Who ever teaches you is not telling the truth.

In Germany it seems to be created mostly in the East where unlike the West they did not have the opportunity to look at what happened in the war and gain the understanding that this could happen again. The East of course have lots of issues they are complaining about - some of them miss communism, some of them want equal pay with the West even if the cost of living is less where they live and I imagine like everyone else in the West the failure of our economic system is causing most people problems. So of course fascism will do what fascism does and put the blame on the other rather than deal with the problem. Merkel invited people, they came.

Are you aware why there are laws on giving assistance to refugees, in allowing people to have asylum? It was because of what was done to the Jews in WW2.

Some people it appears want a second run.

 

Most European countries do not have a problem with massive Muslim Refugees though the far right report that they do, just nonsense.

Wrong. This poll shows that most Europeans want to stop ALL immigration from Muslim countries.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/what-do-europeans-think-about-muslim-immigration

 

Out of only this quote I can write a whole damn analysis report supported by historical facts that could clearly conclude nothing, but absolutely nothing, like what you suppose "is going on" with Muslims now...

I'm not going to get in much detail here so all I can say is what's going on with Muslims today -especially in Europe, which is the subject matter here- is as 100 times peaceful than what went on with the Jews of early 20th century...

 

Then let us hope the muslims get the message and leave.

 

Right. There are minarets all over England and Denmark.