Neo Facist? Momentum

You're wacko.

Time to put you on Ignore ...

 

Fine, ignore the truth.
But when people think Hitler must be right winged because he invaded Poland and Russia, ignore the dangers of what the Nazis stood for.
Ignoring facts of Hitler's policies because they're the same as Momentum is easier than questioning Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum.

 

You must wave your teeny union flag with gutso when the Tories take free school meals from 160,000 kiddywinks. Must remind you of the Milk Snatcher

 

Why should wealthy kids get free school meals? - It doesn't make any sense.
It's not even free, it's paid for by taxes. Why should wealthy people receive welfare?
That's why 'free school meals' is a lie and I believe it's wrong because it's forcing rich kids to eat what the government provides and making poor kids share with the rich kids instead of giving more to the poor kids.

 

You think those 160,000 kids are wealthy? Crikey, you really are clueless! Suppose you've also missed all of the cases of people dying because of the welfare money grab, as rich tax evaders chortle in the corner.

 

I know they are, no Tory would take food out of a poor kid's mouth.
Basically, if your parents can afford it, they're buying school dinner, the parents who can't afford it, their children are still going to get school dinners paid for by you and me.

 

Means testing ensures the people who need it get it so more can be spent on them when welfare isn't being mis given.

 

I'm beging to think all these deaths are made up since there is no crises of that sort and nobody's linking me a news story.

The last I heard a woman froze to death in her own home and a Telletubby/Tinky Winky was found frozen to death on the streets of Liverpool.
If people can't afford to eat, there is food banks.
Show me it in the news of these people dying, because whenever anybody does die on the government in the UK, it's from waiting to be treated on the NHS which we all know is killing competition to improve health care.

 

This made me sneer. I appreciate you're a blag artist (given you apparently only heard about Momentum a couple of days ago), but there has been story after story of how Tory policy is harming the well-being of the poor. A recent example...

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...nce-child-poverty_uk_5ac1f289e4b0f112dc9d8ee5

 

The huffipost is a liberal blog, what about the news?
Not no wacko tabloid page 3 girl news either (so no Sun or Mirror).
What of British media such as The Mail or The Times or Telegraph and even *choke* The Guardian?
What of real news papers?

I believe food stamps should fix this problem.
That would give CEX, Cash Converters and the black market something to worry about;
Taking welfare off of parents who should be feeding their kids on the public dime/purse strings.

What of food banks?
Don't act like food banks don't exist, because they do.
They're there because families and people mis manage their benefit money.
That's non profit helping out the masses, that's good honest charity you sneer at.

 

"A poll of around 900 NEU members found that 87% think that poverty is having a significant impact on the learning of their pupils". Think I'll listen to that, rather than a right wing blag artist...

 

So give families food stamps.
Let CEX, Cash Converters and the black market who're taking welfare from the people it's given to worry.
In some cases, let the pubs and the bookies worry too.
Let who ever profits from mis spending worry by replacing cash money with food stamps for welfare to ensure food, clothes and school uniforms and utilities and rent gets paid before anything else.
Give eBay and Amazon something to worry about, give whoever's taking these peoples money something to worry about and end child hunger.

 

No, reduce child poverty. Between 98/99 and 11/12, 800 000 kids were lifted out of poverty. We've been going backwards since. 30% of kids are now living in poverty.

You best respond with something with a resemblance of sense. I can't be bothered with drivel.

 

No, issue food stamps, stop parents wasting our money on crap.

 

Clearly sense is beyond you. Bye bye!

 

What's bad about a food stamp?
Why pretend people are going hungry with food banks?

 

There is nothing inhumane with a food stamp @Reiver

 

Some real news...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...terror-increase-numbers-fascist-a8291851.html

 

llan Pappe has written a piece in which he suggests that the bringing out of the antisemitism slur against Corbyn at this time was possibly to silence Corbyn over the recent violence against Palestinians in Gaza.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/column...ow-has-silenced-voice-gaza-massacre-962148956

(Pappe is an Israeli Jew living in Britain, one of the New Historians and from link "Professor of History, Director of the European Centre for Palestine Studies and co-director for the Exeter Centre for Ethno-Political Studies at the University of Exeter.")

 

Perhaps, but I doubt it.

Corbyn does not have (imo) the credentials to be the PM that the UK needs at present.

But neither do I see anybody from the right apt for the job.

The UK is in one helluva pile-a-you-know-what at the moment. Which is where it deserves to be.

There is a reason that democracies "elect officials to represent them in parliaments". Because, when it comes to direct decision-making on pertinent matters we vote with our heart and not our mind.

Methinks ...

 

I would not expect Pappe to suggest something without good reason and indeed this concerned me as I could not remember Corbyn having expressed outrage over what is happening in Gaza...but perhaps Pappe was waking him up as a few hours after that article came out, he did exactly that.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-palestine-gaza-border-violence-a8293881.html

If Corbyn allows himself to be silenced by the anti Corbyn mania then he and the hopes of many would be destroyed. Thankfully as above he has shown this is not so.

While he certainly in no way represents a typical leader - he never after all had such political aspirations, he definitely has the potential to bring to the UK what it needs right now by reasserting democracy, keeping the UK united, keeping the far right at bay, putting right certain wrongs such as the UK's relationship with Saudi Arabia and her dealings with Russian Oligarchs as well as dealing with racism and bringing back a sense of community. How much he succeeds in creating permanent change may possibly be concerned with how effective work is done on managing to change the redundant economic system which is destroying all but the elite. He is though imo the best hope for the UK to stay united and a democracy at this critical time....but to do so he must be able stay himself against the furore of forces waged against him.

How Labour can fight back against the British establishment's attempt to destroy it.

I accept your opinion and agree that this is a crucial time, not just for the UK with Brexit but with all the West with the rise of the far right and the reality that we are living under a defunct economic system.

 

He may be all that you say he is. I cannot tell being a Yank living in France. I am not deeply aware of Brit politics or Brit politicians. (The French variety are a sufficiently difficult task.)

Brexit was/is a major economic mistake, and the Brits are going to take some time to overcome it. All EU-economies are improving (thankfully) after the mess brought about by Uncle Sam's imported Great Recession (in 2008/10).

Europe's own repercussive-recession was caused by the fact that several very large (Latin) economies (France, Spain, Italy, Portugal) had and still have a fundamental deficit problem. Many have recovered somewhat but only because economies do recover inevitably. Simply due to the fact that consumers get tired of not-spending.

So, they begin to spend. Miracle of miracles! Wow! Economies start creating jobs!

But Britain has a uniquely singular task and it is to recreate growth with one hand tied behind its back. It's largest trading partner (the EU) is going to apply the import-tariffs that existed before Britain's entry. Which means exports to the EU will be an uphill slog thus resisting any greatly significant economic growth.

In any economy, Personal Income is the centerpiece. Without it, people live desperately dull lives. Which, I am sure, Britain has had its fill of for the moment.

Turning the economy around will be a major task, and I don't see any one person who is up to it. (Well, I do. Having read the article in the Economist, it seems the minister presently in charge of Health would be the best choice. But, at the same time, I see the Conservatives being punished for Brexit so his chances of leading a future government seem a bit thin.)

Why Cameron ever concocted the idea of a referendum is beyond comprehension. (And into what cave has he of late disappeared ... ?)

 

I voted remain but tbh I have not been keeping up much with all the spaffs but you do suggest why it might not be a good time for whoever is in government for the first years after when it comes to roost.

and Greece? Austerity does not work.

neo liberalism does not work. 2008 showed that but unlike the Russians in the late 80's everyone is turning a blind eye to this. If this continues it is going to result in poorer living standards for everyone except the elite.

It isn't a case of turning the economy around. That is not going to sort out the current situation. What is needed is a new economic system and a return to democracy by the Government again serving the people rather than the richest.

a party tiff. To get the right of the party off his back. He certainly did not expect Brexit to win.

 

Cameron didn't concoct the idea if a referendum. The French did.

So Blair matched it. But when the French voted not to to join the EU in their referendum, Blair called it off and the UK joined without one.
Cameron was finally outflanked and forced to give the referendum or not get elected by the British public. Who by this time were ****ing pissed off in a massive way and had started killing politicians in the street.

 

GREECE'S ENTRY INTO THE EU WAS "GREASED"

Greece never should have been allowed in. Goldman Sachs helped Greece "cook-the-books" by hiding its debt (with which it would have never been allowed by the EU authorities to enter).

And perhaps should have remained out until it definitively fixed its Debt Problem.

That story is here: NYT:
Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis excerpt:

NO CLICHES PLEASE

I don't like clichés. On the Left or the Right.

They are an excuse for not making a cogently detailed rebuttal.

THE ECONOMIC CHALLENGE

I beg to differ. What you eat tonight and where you eat it come first in anybody's "Things I need absolutely To Do book". Get that right and all the rest can fall into place with the right economic policy.

Neither is any "new economic system" necessary. There is none, anyway. We must make do with what we've got.

And it is more than enough "in the right hands". Not Right-Hands. But, in the UK, out of the Right and into the Center-Left.

What we have got as a "problem" (in most major EU-countries) is this:


in the UK, it means getting back to a growth economy that would push the country further down in the scale shown above and out of Income Disparity.

How the UK does that depends upon Sufficient Basic and Middle-class Incomes Policy. The rich, regardless, will continue to dock their boats in St. Tropez in August come hell-or-high-water. (Pun intended.)

Of course, any economic theory to that end must be formulated around Stimulus Spending - the Holy Grail of economic recovery ever since Keynes proposed it to Roosevelt in the early 1930s.

Yes, it works! And Right-wing complaints about the National Debt going through the roof are both erroneous and unfounded. A resulting burgeoning economy means tax-revenues are flowing in to help pay-off any increase in the national debt.

Methinks ...