The only reason women have abortions is because they WANT to have a baby in the future

You impose your personal opinion as conditions in order for the child to survive.

 

It encourages me that you read posts to that extent.

 

NO, it is NOT a woman's duty not to get pregnant....YOU do not get to rule on "duty".... Women can get pregnant if they damn well feel like it...

 

I long back understood that of hundreds of topics, this topic most interests FoxHastings. I think for today, I am done here.

 

Then why didn't you just ask that question instead of tying it in with a post of mine having nothing to do with the question?


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OH! I see....you don't know that a fetus has no rights and BORN persons do ! That's where your confusion comes in...



BTW, yes, men can decide not to have a child. Yes, they can legally give up their child.""""""


Your ridiculous question: ""Does the man have the right to terminate her pregnancy when he refused to accept fatherhood? ""

Of course not, ...you don't know that ??!!! Oh, ya, it's common sense....

 

Well if ya ain't got the ammo......or the kitchens too hot.....

 

But it is alive.

How many ounces does it have to weigh before you consider it a human being?
A newborn baby weighs 14 times less than a mature adult, but we still consider them to be a person. So obviously some people weigh a lot more, or a lot less than other people.

 

And if the law suddenly decides that fetus get rights, will you just say “tell it de judge” to women who are enslaved because of the welfare of the fetus?

 

No, I’m saying before the child is born, the father should have the ability to legally abrogate himself of any ties to the child.

 

Also extremely difficult for men to get if they haven’t already had a child.

 

Maybe abortions should be as difficult to get as it is for a man to get a vasectomy who doesn't have a child.

If they're handing out abortions like candy coming out of a piñata, why can't they do that with vasectomies and tubal ligations?

 

There's hardly a danger of that...RvW has been in effect for about 50 years and if the Supreme Court starts taking away rights we'll all be in trouble.

IF RvW is to be overturned there has to be a reason....so far there hasn't been one....the opponents of rights haven't come up with a good argument yet.



Besides IF the fetus is granted personhood it won't just have rights , it will have the same restrictions we all have, we can't use another's body to sustain our lives.

And NO, that doesn't mean earning a living with your body to support your responsibilities.

 

Why? They're not the same thing.... but yes, tubal ligation and vasectomies should be easy to get...call your doctor and let her know..

 

They shouldn't be but a man can always do what Anti's tell women to do, quit having sex

 

So is this you admitting your claims in the OP about surgical solutions to avoiding pregnancy being easy and cheap to access was bullshit?

 

So by what right can a child use the government as a proxy to force one of its parents into slavery to pay for its upkeep?

 

The right to life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

See, most people think children should be cared for , not just thrown out in the street to fend for themselves...is that what you think should happen to unwanted children? sure seems that way....

 

I think we all agree that the woman's choice ends at some point. We just disagree on when.

 

The laws say 23 weeks and even then it's only protection for the fetus...if the woman's life or health is in jeopardy, good bye fetus..

 

So then I can enslave you to provide for my welfare, yes?

 

What? How did you arrive at that ? You aren't my child. ...and children do not "enslave" their parents.....trust me if parents felt that way they can always give up their children.... and I hope they do, they are sick if they think raising children is enslavement.

 

You believe that a developing baby inside the womb enslaves its parents.

 

They get the government to do it as their proxy when the government forces a parent to work on pain of prison.

If the mom doesn’t want to give up her child and the father does, how can the father give up his child without getting enslaved by the state?

 

FoxHastings:What? How did you arrive at that ? You aren't my child. ...and children do not "enslave" their parents.....trust me if parents felt that way they can always give up their children.... and I hope they do, they are sick if they think raising children is enslavement.

I'll include the entire post of mine that you cherry picked so fast that you actually repeated some of my words..

You cannot show anywhere I ever posted that a developing baby enslaves it's parents ...since you are "mistaken" and have no proof I did that leaves only one other alternative...

 

Yes, the government does it's JOB and protects and cares for children. Why do you hate that idea so much?

Why don't you think parents should be responsible for their children? If they aren't we all pay but especially the children...