Obama’s Legacy Has Already Been Destroyed

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  1. Josephwalker

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    If you vote for anyone that's part of the ruling elite that has driven this country to the edge of a cliff you are an independent sheep.
     
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    I saw an announcement yesterday. Evidently, the O's have signed a deal with Netflix. Evidently, the goal is to ensure the continued touting of the Obama legacy inflicted on those of us who are paying for the service... One wonders if the executive team at Netflix ever considered the reaction of their subscription base... Likely not. I am unclear who Netflix believes the market might be for such obvious propaganda. One hopes that the Netflix crew didn't spend a lot of money here....
     
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    That would be both major parties to include Trump. Just look at the rising national debt. That in my opinion is the issue, the force that will destroy this country. How much has Trump added to it? Obama left office with a national debt of 20 trillion dollars, Trump has added since then 1.2 trillion bringing the total national debt o 21.2 Trillion dollars. Trump is just like the rest of the ruling elite. He is now the ruling elite. Perhaps it is Trump that will drive this country off the cliff into that financial abyss everyone in Washington has created to include Trump and company.
     
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    Congress holds the purse strings. Trump is doing what us everyday Americans voted for him to do and that is basically to undo everything you guys have done from the Paris deal to the Iran deal and everything in between.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I haven't done a thing except vote against two very disgusting major party candidates in 2016. If you think a billionaire isn't part of the elite, I can't help you.
     
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    You are distracted by BillRM's distraction of my original response.

    Trump has authority of national security concerns and is also backed up by the Trade Act of 1974 to fast track his efforts.

    Obviously, BillRM AND YOU can't respond to Trump's authority of national security concerns.

    And dems won't be able to get a dog catcher elected to office in the future because of it.

    Steve
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay in the event you are wrong and Dems do get elected, then what will your response be?
     
  8. Lil Mike

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    I would agree that our national debt is probably in the top three things that will destroy our country, long term. But the real institutional answer is a Balanced Budget Amendment, which is almost as unpopular with the Republicans as it is with the Democrats.
     
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    YOU should be more concerned about your own lack of critical thinking skills, or even just minimal skepticism about what the liberal media tells you.

    Steve
     
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    The actual reason a balanced budget amendment is unpopular is because it would take away an important economic TOOL that helps improve the economy when needed. It isn't a political party thing.

    Steve
     
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    Very true. Both parties love to spend, on different things for sure, but both love to spend. I remember Reagan almost begging for a balance budget amendment. All the while the debt tripled under his reign.
     
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    Having been part of those generations that "invented them", especially being one who was on the design side of things, I doubt most older people have much of a clue as to the underlying technology. On the other hand I'm sure most kids are unaware of the even deeper underlying technology. You want common sense. One of the methods educators use to evaluate the intelligence of children is to give them puzzles to solve. The more intelligent children are able to solve ever more intricate puzzles. Figuring out your TV remote is little more than figuring out a puzzle.

    Funny how you tried to tie the intelligence of elementary aged children to the action of toddlers.
     
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    What job numbers are those. When I look at the Department of Labor statistics, there is really no difference from what Obama started. For every month, Obama had a better month. Also, do not forget that Trump's policies are just now starting to take effect. Hang on and enjoy the inflation that is about to barrel down upon you, depleting you of your meager tax cut, and more.
     
  14. Lil Mike

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    Nope.
     
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    Did you check U6 and worker participation? Further when you are under 4% your considered to be at full employment. And that puts the sort of pressure on the job market that means wages are going to climb and add full time instead of part time workers.
     
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    Ive made no such statement. This reminds me of when you were smug enough to spell check my post and in your spell check used the word puctuation.
    Toddler? I dont think so. I try google before respondind on this. Imagine the amusement I will get if you facebook fail twice in a row.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't take spell check.


    During Bush's presidency there was a net loss of jobs. During Obama's presidency there was a net gain, but not enough to overtake the Bush losses. Today the actual number of people employed is lower than at the end of Clinton's term.
     
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    ahh. the old dodge and multi quote to attempt to hide your second mistake...in a row. Perhaps a little less time spell checking and a little more time in current events may be more beneficial from this point forward? I know how you hate "miss" characterizing things...lol
    P.S. Hopefully my "puctuation" is to your liking. I've been working on it for you.
     
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    Steve, since you don't know me, that is a most ridiculous statement you've made.

    Meanwhile, did you ever think that the conservative media could be wrong? or are you so sold on their mantra that you cannot fathom the fact that you could be wrong on this?
     
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    President's have little effect on that
     
  21. Josephwalker

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    Trump is not part of the "ruling" elite. In fact they have done and are doing everything they can to get him out of office. All the guys you embrace are in the club that has driven us over a cliff.
     
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    Trump is doing quite nicely all by himself, thank you very much. Since when isn't a billionaire part of the ruling elite? A billionaire who through donations to both parties and candidates used those donations to get what he wanted from our elected officials. As Trump himself said when asked about all his political donations to Democrats and their candidates such as Schumer answered in August of 2015, "I give to politicians, they give back."

    Your hero isn't any better or worse for that matter than any other politician or elite businessman who takes advantage of our political system. Do you really believe Trump was donating all that money out of his civic duty or was it to get a return on the donation, his investment?
     
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    False thread relying on skewed Bias.What exactly in Obama's 8 years
    could possibly be considered a " success " let alone any " great success ".
    Total juvenile nonsense.Under Obama's 8 yuears he lost a record
    number of Elected politicians in the Democrat Party.Over 1,200 nationwide
    democrat held seats were vanguished.Gone.The worst showing of
    members since before the stock market crash of 1929.
    Unless someone is daffy enough to claim ObamaCare as some asset.
    Andrew Sullivan is just a dumba$$ Gay.Not even worth the time it takes
    to look at ones watch to check the time.He's hyped just because He's Gay.
    The very fact that he was Raised Catholic and claims to still be a Catholic
    even while openly practicing being Gay is a literal contradiction in terms.
    The guys a Freak and that's all anyone with half a brain need know.
    The left is full of Freaks.The Left owns the Freak movement.
     
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    Hillary's big claim of more popular votes is entirely due to California.
    She got over 4 million more *votes than Trump due to California being
    hugely Democrat.I mean,how much simpler an explanation does one need.
    Because democrats rely on Freaks in the media to conjure up cartoon
    explanations ... is how.


    * 2016 California Election results :
    Trump -- 4,483,810
    Hillary -- 8,753,788
     
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  25. Josephwalker

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    Trump represents my disgust with the status quo and the fact that you label him as "my hero" shows the contempt you have for those of us that don't follow the herd like sheep. Trump is not the leader or hero of the movement you are not part of, he is our representative with all his flaws that we accept as part of the package. Trump played the political game as a businessman and knows for himself how corrupt it is. We all play that game at some level just to get by in this big government country but it doesn't mean we embrace it and in fact is the reason we want to change things. I recently bought a new to me motorhome and had the seller make the receipt out for less than the actual purchase price which saved me around a thousand dollars in taxes. My preference would be a well run government with a reasonable tax rate that I felt good about contributing to instead of playing these tax dodge games that we all do. That's why I support Trump.
     
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