North Korea agrees to ‘complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula' after Trump-Kim summit

Yes, as it happens I do know what cult behaviour is.

Wayward, disconnected, defended assertions and accusations being another clue.

 

And yet you fall into the trap so easily open your eyes you are describing yourself, read your posts you show classic signs of indoctrination.

 

And then, after the mildest of drilling down, we find a garden gnome.

 

That's a mirror

 

Yes sir, not as such no but it stems from the 1992 NPT

...this may be of interest to you for further reading...
On 12 December 1985, North Korea became a party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT). On 10 April 1992 its NPT safeguards agreement entered into force. In May 1992, North Korea submitted its initial report to the IAEA under that agreement, and International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspections began. Shortly thereafter inconsistencies emerged between the North Korea initial declaration and the Agency's findings, centering on a mismatch between declared plutonium product and nuclear waste solutions and the results of the Agency's analysis. The latter suggested that undeclared plutonium existed in North Korea. In order to find answers to the inconsistencies detected and to determine the completeness and correctness of the initial declaration provided, the IAEA requested access to additional information and to two sites which seemed to be related to the storage of nuclear waste. The DPRK refused access to the sites, and on 12 March 1993, North Korea announced its decision to withdraw from the NPT.

On 1 April 1993, the IAEA concluded that North Korea was in non-compliance with its Safeguards Agreement, and referred this to the UN Security Council. Following UN Security Council resolution 825, which called upon the DPRK to reconsider its decision to withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and allow weapons inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) into the country, North Korea "suspended the effectuation" of that withdrawal in June 1993

In November 1993, North Korea proposed to the United States that the two governments negotiate a "package solution" to all of the issues dividing them. The Clinton Administration accepted this in principle but conditioned such "comprehensive" talks on North Korea acting first to allow a resumption of IAEA inspections and to re-open negotiations with South Korea over nuclear questions (North Korea had broken off talks with South Korea in late 1992). North Korea approached the IAEA in January 1994, offering a single inspection, less comprehensive than those conducted by the IAEA in 1992. After several weeks of tough negotiations, the IAEA announced on February 16, 1994, that North Korea had accepted "the inspection activities" that the Agency had requested. In response, the Clinton Administration agreed to suspend the Team Spirit military exercise with South Korea (a long-standing North Korean demand) and begin a new round of talks with North Korea—subject to North Korea allowing full implementation of the IAEA inspection and beginning high level talks with South Korea.

See also point III (2) on the link attached...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AGREED_FRAME_WORK_PAGE3.jpg

There is a rather striking historical resemblance don't you think? In the communique on Tuesday signed by both there was mention of "denuclearisation of the Korean penninsular" which is almost the same language from the October 1994 agreement following on from the 1992 ratification...and here we are in 2018 saying the same things! And as highlighted above Clinton halted "wargames" which was a long demand from North Korea. All seems a bit like deja vu...

 

I hope (And choose to believe) it will be different this time but The Scotsman you're right to be apprehensive.

This could easily all go wrong as it has so many times before but if we don't take a punt it certainly it will never go right.

You got to bet to win.

 

The funny/sad thing is that Democrats will blame Trump, even if Kim is the one who kills this (which is the most likely outcome). Political tribalism in the US really is destroying the country.

 

It isn't very often that I get anything wrong ( ) but I'm glad I was wrong about the chances of Trump pulling it off.

 

We're honoured by your humility let's keep our fingers crossed this goes the whole way and doesn't go the same path we trod before.

I have hope, I forgot what that was these last 16 years lol.

 

I agree...we can hope but I think that Trump needs to listen more to the professionals in his state department and their advisors and act in a less cavalier fashion...
At the heart of all this is a people living in a state of abject terror in conditions akin to the stone age and a world leader (leader of the free world....) extolling the virtues of the very person imposing these conditions on them!!

 

So some further news. Apparently trump told Kim that he will also lift the sanctions. Kim has told his population that sanctions are going to be lifted without mentioning any preconditions. He has never been so popular with his population. So when does the winning start....

 

Yes but Libya and Iraq teaches us that the old ways don't work and these were the same professionals behind those disasters. So I vote sack the pro's as the last 16 years has only proved their incompetence and just let people talk.

This is why I believe it will be successful because Trump did just that dump the advisor and just talk.

 

Its a different dynamic. China was not the leash holder of Iraq or Libya and Saudi Arabian integrity (oil) was not the issue.

 

anyone remember the debates

 

Bless Hillary she just didn't get NK as they have no money to "donate" to her "charity".

Still when Trump gets the peace prize I hope he dedicates it to Hillary for losing the election we couldn't have done it with you Hilldawg thank you for being the worse candidate ever!

 

Different dictators, if this one lies maybe it is time to start the killings before they have the power to destroy the earth.

 

Yeah why not!! That's what Kim does so no reason not to follow his example...shoot the tw@t

 

Do it like the Soviets do it, a grain of ricin injection with umbrella...don't claim responsibility. Watch the liberals have a cow... Problem is, got to have IMF team in place to make sure right replacement steps forward.

 

Lets not......the leftness gets enough free **** as it is. Still always got to try for more, huh?

 

The situation is better than it has ever been since 1950. Perhaps it won't have to come to nuclear war.

 

Although the Pentagon said Defense Secretary Jim Mattis was consulted ahead of time, current and former U.S. defense officials expressed concern at the possibility that the United States would unilaterally halt military exercises without an explicit concession from North Korea lowering the threat from Pyongyang.....snip~


https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...d-military-exercises-in-south-korea/23457224/

Evidently not before Mattis did.

 

Who knows if kim is serious or not?

I sure dont know

 

No one outside of Kim can know with certainty. There's no way to have certainty for us.

 

Trump should continue the peace process but with a sense of urgency

Kim could just be stalling while hoping to get more concessions from trump

And he already has a big concession with the suspension of the joint military exercise

Keeping the presure on is the best way to discover his true intentions

 

Yeah we need to be behind Trump and agree it's a great time to Be an American...won't ever get better..this is one time I don't like term limits..Dread when he leaves office..pray we can get Pence in after Trump.

But I still don't trust Kim