Senate Democrats reject GOP legislative fix to stop family separations

The ACLU is filing suit. Stating the children cannot be placed in Jail cells with the parents. Policy falls back to the Peeps catch and release.

 

Maybe we simply need to severely limit or eliminate the asylum program.

 

I say give them a Helicopter ride Right back into Mexico. Daring Mexico to give us a reason.

 

Trump still has 2,300 kids in various prisons without their parents lawyers being allowed to know where these children are.

I think there is a principle here.

We can not allow human atrocities to be created as a method of winning political ground in congress.

And, that is exactly what it means if we pay off Trump in order to get the children back.

 

No, someone claimed the Cruz bill is a solution.

I pointed out that it is not a solution - even if it had a chance of passing, which it appears not to have.

There are multiple bills and they are changing over time. Some of what I'm saying today will not apply to bills introduced in the future. Right?

 

So get Chuck Schumer to write a law that will over ride the Flores settlement. If you are at all sincere that's what you and your fellow leftists
will do. Otherwise one of two things will happen: We will get a return of Obama's catch and release con game (and that will not happen!).

Or Trump will triple the number of judges who process these immigration cases in an expedited manner in special border courts and
illegals and asylum seekers will be spun in and out of the US courts so fast they will develop whip lash.

Anyone entering the nation illegally should be rejected with great haste and let the word flow out that we aren't interested in being
the Salvation Army for Mexico's expendables anymore.

 

I've been totally consistent in identifying the humanitarian atrocity of separating children from parents with NO PLAN, FUNDING or other demonstration of intent to EVER reunite those families.

That atrocity has NOT been rectified.

In fact, I know of NO attempt to do so on the part of the president or the Republicans who run congress.

 

I would direct you back to the very first line in my last post.
The fact is Chuck Schumer would rather have a political talking point than give a damn about the children the left sheds crocodile tears over.

Please note how not one peep was heard out of the left when Obama warehoused children and turned them over to cartels, human traffickers and anyone else claiming to have some tenuous connection to these kids. They are likely gone forever.
Do I hear Maddow crying over that? Absolutely not!


If you feel that our borders should be protected and not porous and unprotected so drug cartels and human traffickers can flourish then
you arrest the people who break our laws.
And if you are distressed about the limitations that the Flores settlement imposes, and are remotely honest, then you must admit that any president following the law is caught in a legal vise.

Get Charles Schumer to stop lying and do something to change the law. He's playing very dangerous games and the children he claims to care about might pay a very high cost for Chuck's political ideology

 

This is just an empty partisan claim.

There is still evidence that this is going on today. Obama faced a different problem - large numbers of children crossing without their families. We now have thousands in baby jail because of that. It is a known problem without a clear and obvious solution.

In fact, one of the problems ICE has faced is that there just isn't baby jail space. They filled it!

Schumer is not lying.

I agree the problem isn't easy. NOBODY IN AMERICA is interested in open borders (as attested to by the fact that Obama stopped the growth in the number of undocumented aliens in the US and did so with a massive deportation program that did not target children or those who are here keeping their noses clean and working).

 

ICE should buy an old cruise liner anchor it a few miles off shore. Asylum seekers can wait there, when their asylum is denied for everyone aboard......



Every country has access to the pacific. Go right down the line and dump them off.

 

That would probably be better than what we do today.

But, remember that we won't just herd the children onto the dock or airstrip and then leave.

 

It's only empty because you fail to give any meaningful response at all.

Obama policy encouraged children from Central America to come to the US and claim asylum. I wonder how many of those kids never made it past the human traffickers and drug gangs?

I assume babies will be sent to care giving homes. Another good reason not to bring your baby with you when you decide to break the law. What is your solution? Nurseries and day care centers in prison?

Please! Don't insult my intelligence.

Do you think the man who lied about health care, Hillary's email server, etc. wouldn't lie about this too?

 

NONE of that justifies the current situation of having 2,300 children that Trump has taken from parents and for whom there is NO plan or effort being made to EVER have those families reunited.

That is a humanitarian atrocity.

 

Let me repeat, for the last time, the Flores Agreement, settled in 1997
ruled that immigration could NOT hold minors over forty days so they MUST be released to a relative or some suitable care giver
or facility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reno_v._Flores
Did you not read this? The government is obligated to release children to a relative, if possible, or to some suitable facility if no likely adult can be found. There's the plan.

So Jose gets out of jail and says, "Hey INS gebacho...where are my kids?"
And the INS says, "Your brother Juan has them" or the Bill Clinton Care Facility in Oklahoma is holding them
(though I can't imagine all communication ending between family members...unless the Obama DHS releases children to
human traffickers and the children are never heard from again, which has happened...but that's Obama, so it's all good).

The ACLU thought they got a very good deal. Again, breaking the law may have unpleasant side effects. I just wouldn't put my children through that ordeal.

 

You are ignoring the issue, pretending that one case covers what is going on. But, it does not.

Today, babies are being put into foster homes when the parents are in prison and don't even know what STATE their baby is in. That is legally sufficient for the case you cited.

BUT, the issue here is that there is no plan for reuniting these families.

Don't keep citing cases until you find one that covers this case and is being respected by Trump.

 

You literally claimed THIS bill had stuff about the wall in it. Just admit you were full of it. Grow up and man up kid.

 

Bring me evidence of what you claim. YOU say children are going to foster homes and no one knows where they are. YOU say that.
Why don't you document one case where a relative has shown up in the US looking for a baby that is in a foster home and no one will tell or help him. Or even knows. At least then you'll have some credence, unlike now.

You keep saying this as if it has some meaning. Parents, armed with knowledge of where their children were sent (while they were serving prison time for breaking the law)
are expected to go get their kids. Or maybe a Mexican consulate will assist their citizens (though I doubt it).
Free medical care. Free education. Free accommodations and food. Free
recreation, tv, video games, soccer, etc. etc.
I doubt any child looking to enter America illegally ever has had it so good.

I also doubt that law breakers will be charged for the cost of caring for their children while they were away so they should be thankful but you seem to think the government owes them some tearful ceremony or curbside concierge service. Grow up.

We are holding their kids and taking damned good care of them. That's all we owe law breakers.

 

Why would policy necessarily fall back to catch and release?


SHOCK UPDATE: Migrant Mother and ‘Crying Girl’ on TIME Cover Never Separated; Mom Deported in 2013, Left Husband With Good Job, 3 Other Kids, Paid Coyote $6K to Sneak Back in US

 

Cite one case of this bullshit claim. Otherwise let it be known this claim is a lie. We know You won’t do anything but deflect and spin.

 

Maybe the left could have gotten to them earlier to make sure they aborted their babies so this wouldn’t be a problem!

 

Cite please.

I read the synopsis of the Cruz bill and knew it did not have money for the wall. Beyond that, I don't know how that would have made a difference in what I said.

I think you just misinterpreted something or referenced someone else.

 

Kids taken from parents are given separate A file numbers. The parent may not use these to attempt to locate their children until after their case is adjudicated. That means, they can't attempt to find their child until after they are given asylum, jailed, or after they have been deported.

So, in the majority of cases, a mother shipped to Honduras is expected to do battle with HHS in order to just FIND their child - which HHS says will have been placed in a foster family (which they term "reunified" regardless of whether the adults are even related!!!). If they are jailed, they have even less access.

Also, if the child has been deported, the parents (regardless of their disposition) have to work through the foreign government to locate their children.



https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...rant-family-separations-are-permanent-n884391

 

Don't worry.

I know what you stand for.

 

Wow. So that’s where we’re at now? You got trounced so hard and were proven to be fake news or at least the believer of fake news irrefutably but because you are so lacking in integrity you can’t just be a man and admit that you were wrong and instead try to make the pathetic claim that you never said it? Wow. Just... wow.

and this quote of yours was a response to another member discussing the bill where he claimed “the wall is IN the bill!” And this was your response to that. So will you try and spin your own words now or will you finally man up to being wrong. Look it’s not like it’s the end of the world. People make mistakes. People get things wrong. They just should own up to them when they do. Can you?

 

You're seriously confused. The post you quote is a general statement about the several pieces of legislation that are being proposed. It was NOT specific to the Cruz bill, obviously.

And, I stand by it in full.

Maybe you thought the Cruz bill is the only one that has been proposed over the last few days??