Russia kills its F-35 Killer

Be careful ... the F-16 had also some starting problems to be used outside USAF. And now ...?

One of the latest (but about 1 year old) news is that even my country Germany thinks about to buy some of them.
We have the problem that the our Tornado jet becomes old and slowly obsolete and we need a replacement wha tthe great Typhoon Fighter not can do to fullfill (but hunting F-22 very well as Red Flag exercises show very well) ...

 

Components for Boeing 787 are assembled in like 15 different countries. The plane had a bad rep initially and is now considered to be a great success.
Any issues that F-35 has can be resolved. I haven’t heard of any real fatal flaw in the plane design.

 

Of course, you can upgrade your computer, without question ... only that has not really happened so far, according to insiders at the USAF!
And the fact that the Raptor is in fact not as stealthy as it is beheaded is already certain.

And no message = good news ... well ... not really an automatic train of thought.

 

The F-35 is a lemon.

 

NATO nations consider the F-35 for political reasons. The plane itself is a lemon.

 

Your expert opinion is taken under advisement.

 

Yep, can’t get Brit’s to do hard brexit, yet convince them to spend billions to buy some junk as a political favor.
Your logic is undeniable.

 

I am not referring to my opinion. The opinion given to you in the link - and the reasons for that opinion which you have never addressed - are those of an expert.

 

Seeing that nobody int he world has antyhing comparable and russia and china will still need a decade to catch up (at least) why bother building more?

It was designed to counter something the US its enemies never were able to build.

Still doesnt change anything that russia apparantly cant afford a current gen fighter and seeing its current old fighters keep crashing due to bad maintenance ...

 

Wrong ... the F-22 and the F-35 can both being hunted down by the existing Sukhois and Migs ... even it is mor edifficult as with an F-15 or so of course!

 

Issues moving from propeller aircraft to the jet engine have nothing to do with the F-35 issues. Not all "problems" are the same.

 

That is not my logic ... what is undeniable is your logical fallacy Mr. Strawman.

 

When was F-35 successfully hunted down by a Mig or Sukhoi?

 

Your words:

Which means the US, with the greatest negotiator in Chief (note sarcasm), manages to convince countries like UK to drop billions of dollars into these planes, yet can't convince them to do hard Brexit, to walk away from Paris climate agreement or do other things.
Can I go and knock on those countries doors and get a few billions myself? I will promise to spend it wisely.

 

You can make false dichotomies all you like. Brexit has nothing to do with the F-35.

Nor does any of your deflection change the fact that many NATO countries that were supposed to purchase the f-35 are backing away.

 

Sure, if it can find them and not get shot down long before it has any chance of finding them.

Again russia doesnt stand a chance so why bother pumping money into this? Vlad no doubt needs a new palace .

 

It's not a deflection. I'm trying to get you to compare our negotiating power. You claim we coerce others into buying junk for billions of dollars. I bring up an alternative where our coercion doesn't seem to work.
For any democratic country, acquisition of very expensive foreign military hardware must be approved by their parliament - majority of elected officials must consciously vote in favor of the acquisition. It's not like a salesperson in a mall that gets you to buy crap you don't need and you buy on a split-second decision. Before the acquisition, the financial and military analysts look into whether they need that hardware, what the alternatives are and whether they are presented with a fair deal. They get opinions from local military leaders and do their research. Only with their approval does the proposal to buy goes to the parliament. If the US was coercing UK, Italy or other countries to buy, the opposing parties would sound alarm bells and vote against the acquisition - they'd make it such a big it that it would be on their national television as a major controversy.
So, your claim that UK purchased these planes as a favor is laughable!

 

What is laughable is you claiming that a referendum - such as the one over Brexit - is subject to the same political influence as the F-35 in which there was no referendum.

 

Yes, meuller's indictment will give you a few grams of it.

 

Both of those aircraft were second generation jets. The movement from propeller aircraft was already a generation old.

Similarly, the F-35 is a second generation stealth aircraft.

 

The reason it is a lemon is not because of minor hiccups. The reason it is a lemon is because -As Pierre Sprey points out "The F-35 was born on an exceptionally dumb piece of PR spin" "an airplane built on a dumb idea- a turkey - an inherently bad idea".

 

Trump is on the left? Hohhhh-Kayyyyy...

 

Why not read what the pilots say about it:

https://breakingdefense.com/2017/06...isual-range-dogfight-criticisms-laid-to-rest/

 

The F-104 was called the "Widow Maker" when it was first developed because of how problematic its technology was. Yet once those problems were worked out, it became a premier aircraft and served with air forces for nearly 50 years.

 

Do you remember how Boeing was ridiculed with 787? Cost overruns, delays, after initial rollout the fleet was grounded. Everyone claimed A380 is a smarter investment. Now, airbus cant sell A380 anymore mainly because Boeing offers better alternatives.