Russia kills its F-35 Killer

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  1. st256

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    Aha... you already said that. Next you denied it. Now you say that Meuller's indictment contains evidence again... Did you think about visiting a doctor?
    I hope so. I'm a professor of Information Security Department of some Siberian university.
    So now I am have to provide you with evidence that Russia interfered in American election??? Go to a doctor just now!
     
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    OK, you have no evidence. No problems.
     
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    I suggest a double dose of the strongest laxative you can find.

    Yeah sure you are. Boy are you not a dog.

    No. the evidence has already been collected, so I doubt Meuller or the FBI or the DNI need anything you'd come up with.

    (to improve your english usage and grammar - Go to the doctor RIGHT now.)
     
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    Jonsa.....he/she is a professor of international internet trolling, with classes in fake news, misdirection, blatant lies, delusional statements, etc. It's located in the Siberian enclave of Hemmoroidistan, it's capital is Bend-me-over-grad.

    I'm still waiting for their "abstract" from being a well scientist. I've had my bouts with this delusional creature!
     
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    That some other aircraft had problems initially and turned out not to be a lemon ... does not mean the F35 is not a lemon.

    Do you have any response to Sprey's comments ? - and did you realize that this guy was involved in the design the F-16 and the A-10.
     
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    So aircraft designs/designers from the 70’s are valid for your argument?
     
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    Just a month ago your field was digital signal processing. Did you change your profile so fast? Wow, you must have a 4 digit IQ!

    Cant even keep up with your own lies.
     
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    The USAF had so little respect for the technology in the Baltic they basically flew the same mission night after night. How many planes were shot down? What would happen we were actually concerned?

    Syrian s-400 operators haven’t fired the thing out of fear of giving up their locations to US forces and being destroyed. So much for that vaunted piece of hardware.
     
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    Why would comments from someone who designed the F-16 and A-10 not be valid ? certainly more valid than comments from PF posters. What a silly thing to say.

    State one his justifications/explanations of why - that you think is off the mark.
     
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    How many hours has he logged in the F-35?

    Because someone else posted a link to the opinions of pilots who have actually flown the F-35 and they don’t think it’s a lemon.
     
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    The pilot who flies this plane used to fly an F15. Make no mistake about it, this plane, armed with Raytheon weaponry is the real deal.

    He feels that it is most effective when it is staged within a formation using drones and an F22 canopy.
    Seldom opens it up all the way, but cruises at mach 1.8 and is invisible unless the afterburner is used.
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    Now you are degenerating into fallacious nonsense.
     
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    The F 35 has capabilities that you don't hear much about. The video is based on tactics that don't factor in most of the new weaponry, lasers in particular.

    Many F 35 pilots have never even fired their 20 mm because everything is ejected internally.

    When you combine a group of F35s with high altitude F22s, nothing in the world can challenge the air dominance of the USAF.

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    It isn't the same; The F-104's concept was sound.

    IMO, the F-35's problems are resumed thus:
    - Horrendous flight/maintenance ratio
    - Sensitive skin
    - Fancy maintenance
    - Mediocre performence
    - Poor payload
    - Cost
    - Software Obsolescence

    Furthermore, it place all of its eggs in dubious baskets - that of stealth and BFR, two questionable concepts at this point. It isn't as much as the plane being dangerous, it's more about it being not much for the price.
     
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    The F 35 isn't any more difficult to maintain than an F 16 Falcon. The engine is designed to be a workhorse so I'm not sure why you would claim that it is hard to maintain.

    The cost issue has to do with the reality that there are more foreign suppliers involved so production has more ebb and flow issues.

    Roughly 180,000 man hours goes into the production of each F35 aircraft.
    Ironically, the F22 production output was actually eventually lowered to 140,000 man hours because almost the entire aircraft was manufactured with US made parts.

    Can't comment on the software for various reasons... But you would be surprised at the capabilities of the avionics associated with the F35, and especially with the F22.

    Simply have to disagree with you on the performance. This plane was never designed to establish air dominance, but it does significantly contribute to it.
     
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    Literally all of those except sensitive skin and “software obsolescence” (I’m not sure where you are getting that from) applied to the F-104 when it first deployed.
     
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    Here's a graphic of gen 6 in development. [​IMG]
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    You don't think its a little ironic to post how many nations have a "Gen 6 mockup" on a thread about Russia dumping an aircraft program?

    But just to show both US 6 gen fighters:
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    Yes, yes, in Russia, too, there are many beautiful pictures about the 6th generation :D

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    Yep too bad they will probaby never go into production. Russia cant even afford gen 5 planes.
     
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    Pretty cool stuff those F35's.
    I would be a bit worried about having a single engine though.

    It staggers me that Russia is nearly 1/20 the GDP of the USA.
    That's about Australia's GDP, and they aren't a superpower.
     
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    Well, it's up to you, consider the Su-57 the fifth generation or not count :) In fact, we do not now need machines of this class. We do not plan to fight with the US. And in Syria it's cheaper to use the 4th generation aircraft. 5th generation is redundant. Therefore, it is unlikely that the Su-57 in the next few years will be more than a few dozen pieces.

    But the 6th generation, if it means unmanned aircraft, will, of course, be in demand and needed. And work on it is underway. Now the Su-57 is testing onboard systems for the aircraft of the 6th generation.
     
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    We have salaries and prices lower than in the US :) And we have more motivated people.
     
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    Yeah but they are not putting that into production.
    So russia has no 5th gen development/prodcution left.


    Its pointless for russia, they cant compete with the US, and nobody seems itnrested into buying these from russia so why bother?
     

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