US F-22s came face-to-face with Russia's top fighter near Alaska and were at a major disadvantage

Are they searching for the Admiral Kuznetsov? Look for the tugboat, and you'll find the Kuznetsov.

 

Whatever turns you on.

 

LOL - Beats the hell out of MREs....

 

They cancelled their without loss.
If only you had been so smart.

 

F 35. Australian Airforce.

 

Most people feel the same about your posts.

 

The P-73 is a modified R-73 and does exist.

 

You are going to have to prove that one. But remember, all air russian air to air missiles start with a R. But who knows.

Let's look at the existing P-73s

The SU-27 can shoot Oregano out it's ass.
The SU-27 can shoot a Protein Tumor out it's ass
The SU-27 can shoot a Crystal Oscillator Resonator out it's ass

All joking aside. You are correct. The Soviets played with the P-60 and the P-73, both modified AAM Missiles. Yes, it can be done but outside of a movie like Firefox, why? Pilots asked the same question as did engineers.

The cost of firing backwards from a fighter means you are going to have to carry a second radar system pointing backwards which adds weight and size as well. While the missile might be able to do it, the addition of the radar system makes it just not worth it. And the last time I checked, the SU-27 had no rearward facing radome.

The Pilots all believed that they didn't need to fire from the rear since it would be THEM that would be in the check six position. Yes, a bit arrogant but I never met a great fighter pilot that wasn't so obnoxious he was down right arrogant.

This may change. There is one Fighter that may be able to do this but again, why. The F-35, using it's sensors, can see quite well behind it and can guide missiles to the rear from the front. Getting behind a F-35 doesn't mean you are safe from his forward firing missiles. We are back question of why you would need a rear firing missile?

 

Maybe not for fighters, but for bombers.
Like how they have tail gunners.

Russian SU's operate networked RADARs.
The missile can lock from someone else's RADAR detection.

 

Ahahaha.... "If they had, where are the casualties". ...Are you seriously?... There is no need to kill cowards.. Enough to scare them to win any war.

About the killing of civilians you can tell the peaceful inhabitants of Hiroshima, Nagasaki,... Dresden .... Songmi ...

 

The US took off the tail guns as they were worthless. The range of the missiles far out stripped the range of the guns. If you have ever seen a fighter trying to lock on to a bomber, you will see it's going to toke a whole lot of missiles fired to get the job done. So rear firing weapons are just silly. That's extra weight they can use for other things like fuel or electronic gear. With the flight profiles of the bombers on entry, there is going to be a lot of missiles fired and a lot of misses. Some may get through though. But if it's done as planned, enough are stopped that the bomber gets through to it's targets. But a good plan is only good until the first shot is fired and then it's a tap dance from there. I have flown on a low level bomber training mission. Let me tell you,a bomber crews biggest payload are their gonads.

I don't see a rear firing missile being of much use to a bomber either. It sounds nice in the movie Firefox but in reality, it's not very practical.

 

The SU you are referring to was a test bird. The SU-27M. It's a one of a kind. It did have rearward pointing radar. Not very powerful radar but it was there. It took up where the modified Mig-25 left off with the P-73. It was renamed the SU-35 but never went into production. But some of the avionics went into the SU-30 and 37 but not the rearward radar. Funny, a brand new bird was produced that looks different that took the name of SU-35 and that us the SU-35 we are familiar with. And it doesn't have rearward pointing radar. Also, neither the SU-27 nor the 35 can network with other fighters as you claim. You are trying to borrow from the F-35 and the F-22 data sheet.

 

Oh brother... I said it could be done, not that it was in production, in response to someone who doesn't have a sense of humor and didn't get my joke about dorsal and ventral turrets. Let it rest.

 

Here is your post

Russian SU's operate networked RADARs.
The missile can lock from someone else's RADAR detect

Youdidn't say might or cold, you said they operated networked. You can try and shrug it off by saying, "Just kidding" but that don't hold water on this one. You just made it up and presented it as fact hoping no one would call you on it. I don't have time for you anymore.

 

You don't need me to spoon feed you mate.
If a subject interests you, look it up.

To the best of my knowledge they have had networked RADAR for years.
They offered it as a cheap mans AWACS.

The system is cross platform functional, BlackShark helicopters have it too.
I'll see if I can dig it some Youtubes explaining it.

If you play Flight Sims, check out the DCS series. You can play with mocks ups of it.

The idea is one plane goes ahead of the pack, and draws all the heat while the planes in the rear fire without fear of repercussion.
Infographic.


This is how to use one in DCS.

Shkval for example is also found in fixed wing ground attack aircraft.



So these systems are typical Russian systems and can be found in many aircraft.
SAMS systems are integrated. S 400 uses multiple systems at the same time.
They have the technology. Have done for a long time.

 

You just used a computer game ffor a reference. No wonder you are so confused. I bet you are an ace many times over in there as well. Those aren't real and many are trumped up performance. How do I know what I am talking about? I guess you should be made aware I am a Retired United States Airforce Member and am recognized as a Military Historian. You want to see a different Military site? Go to mine.. http://www.military.com

 

Let's take a look at this. Fighters will not be flying along with the Buffs. The buffs will be no more than a couple of hundred feet above the deck flying NAP. The Fighters will be miles ahead of the Bomber engaging other fighters. Until the fighters no longer have the range and then they go home. By then, the Buffs have already launched their ALCMS. and the enemy fighters will be more worried about those puppies than retreating bombers. And the US Fighters used will not be the variety you see in the clip. The Russian Fighters will be up against radar that is superior to their own that have already locked on and fired before the SU can get the chance to lock on. And that includes both the F-22 and the F-15.

Now, about that AWACS. Unless the Russians have invented an AAR missile that has at least a 200 mile kill range and can hide from the F-22s between the AWACS and them then that kill just won't happen. The SU will have to fight it's way to get at the AWACS going through F-22s, F-35As and F-15s that far out number them and have a longer range radar and kill range. You had better bring all your SU-27s and Mig-29s while you are at it if you wish to have any success. The losses are going to be fantastic. That one air battle win for Russia just might cripple the Russian AF so bad it can no longer operate. Meanwhile, the US has reserves. I don't see the Russians being that stupid.

What you see is a very poor Russian Propaganda Clip designed to raise a bit of down home Nationalism. Nothing more.

 

That's not my post... How dishonest of you.

 

Here's two.

 

First of all, the Shkval is an electro optical targeting system. You have to have visual on your target to use it. It's worthless in a air to attack. It's used in quite a few Russian Birds including the SU-25. The reason your clip only shows attacking ground targets is that Shkval can only be used for that. Did you catch where the Shkval was activated by turning on a laser?

Now, let's allow you to have a Shkval type system that can be used for BVR in another Universe and another reality. And let's let it use the Radar that the SU-35 is using. Sounds good so far. Now, let's pit it against theF-35 or the F-22. First of all, both the F-35 and F-35 will see the SU-35 long before the SU sees them. Only one F-22 has to have them on radar and only one has to have the locks. All of the F-22s and F-35s via Link 16 automatically shows all scanned and locked targets on their screens.

Now let's say the SU-35s do actually pick up on the incoming flight with their fictitious wonder weapon at the same time the US fighters do. Now it gets to be a foot race to see who can set up first and get the first volley off. While the SU-35 is spending all that time pressing buttons and moving his eyes from panel to screen to panels, the US Fighters tap on their LCD screens to id the target and then hit fire. The difference between 1 second and 7 seconds. But this is an alternate universe.

 

Nice pics. Now give the info that goes with them so I can do the research on them. Or are you just going to admit defeat and move on.

 

They didn't loose anything. They just decided Russia wasn't worth fighting for. Other than Japan who kicked their butt on the border.

 

That's nice for you mate.

So are all the people who make those games.

 

I think you can look it up yourself or claim victory if you prefer.
I'm not in the habit of taking orders. Sorry.

If you wish to learn, I won't be able to stop you.
If you don't wish to learn, I won't be able to teach you.

That said, you are a retired pilot and military historian. You know everything already.
So no need.