Biological Male Wins World Championship in Women's Cycling

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    Biological Male Wins World Championship in Women's Cycling

    He should be ashamed of himself for competing against women.
     
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    Will he be entering the men's knitting contest?
     
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    It's called testosterone! Google it sometime. See what it does to the body.

    Interesting to see the science deniers are active in this issue. Interesting to see you don't give a rip about facts and little details like that.
     
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    She is a biological male. A biological male won a women's cycling event. It's not that difficult.
     
  5. dairyair

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    How about it?
    Go read my other 2 answers to you on the question.
    If I answer it 2X and you still don't understand, I don't see what 3 and 4X will do.
     
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    So, we'll take that as you have no qualification to make any judgement on the matter.
    Thanks.
     
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    People need to stand up against this nonsense. It might just be sports right now and that doesn't matter, but soon it will be men taking over the role of women in general.

    I don't know how feminists aren't upset by this. Perhaps what they wanted was men to be women.
     
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    I have plenty of qualifications. For instance I am educated and aware enough to know why males are superior athletes in virtually every way
    hence the need for women's and men's competitions. And it's largely due to a thing called testosterone, something you either know nothing about or try to deny and ignore.

    So why are you questioning my judgement on the issue? You are the one who is totally clueless in this matter.
    You just couldn't be more off base. So typical...the ignorant on the issues
    try to put the knowledgeable on defense.

    Males have naturally high levels of testosterone in their bodies. Women, not so much. https://sportswithoutinjury.com/will-testosterone-help-your-sports-performance/
     
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    I don't think they thought it through.
     
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    This past weekend Dr. Rachel McKinnon became the first transgender athlete to win a world cycling championship, taking the masters age 35-44 world title in the sprint competition at the VELO Sports Center in Carson, California.
    https://www.velonews.com/2018/10/ne...track-champion-and-transgender-athlete_480206

    A Canadian transgender athlete has been slammed by a competitor after becoming the first to win a cycling world championship.

    Dr Rachel McKinnon, who was born a male, won gold in the women’s 35-44 age bracket at the UCI Masters track championships in Los Angeles on Sunday.

    “First transgender woman world champion…ever*”, she posted on social media alongside a photo on the podium with second- and third-place finishers, Carolien Van Herrikhuyzen of the Netherlands and Jennifer Wagner of the US.

    McKinnon’s achievement was lauded by some on social media, given the fact she has to suppress her testosterone levels to what she deems “unhealthily low” levels.
    https://sports.yahoo.com/not-fair-runner-fumes-transgender-world-champion-075054632.html

    Not according to every story out there. A transgender woman won the race.
     
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    Women cycling is a sport with rules based on sex.

    Men grow up with higher muscle fiber, stronger twitch and a litany of other physical benefits. Furthermore, women's hormones creates a higher bone density, mostly for pregnancy.

    A male, who has transitioned, now has both of those benefit.

    It is completely unfair for a biological woman to compete against a biological man who now has the bone strength of a woman.

    For... ever, this distinction has been set for fairness and safety. The Far Left has been pushing for this, sometimes while putting the other competitors safety at risk (see mma trans). Even most moderate Left agree, this is completely unfair to the honor of sporting. It is only fringe Left Progressives fighting, by saying biology is a social construct, which is a mockery of science to say.

    I don't care who they want to love. It is proving over and over that this situation is a massive benefit over the other competitors.
     
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    What if a guy but identifies as female? Should he be believed without proof in the case of an alleged assault he is accused of? If both of these "she should be believed" is one rule and anyone that is a biological male that only identifies as a female is actually a female then who's lying?
     
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    That's why there are separate mens and womens competition in most sports.

    You are uneducated to transgender.
    You are uneducated to this persons testosterone.
    You are uneducated to the women's cycling rules.

    But you have heard of the word testosterone, so I'll give ya that one.
     
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    Take it up with women's cycling.
    They have rules on transgenders. To compete, they must meet those requirements.
     
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    I wonder how many such competitions are not won by transgender competitors? Naturally we will never hear about those. As soon as one wins, though, then everyone leaps the conclusion that biology was the reason.
     
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    That is you defense? That we don't know how many lose?

    Sorry, doesn't fly with anyone other than the Left Progressives.

    Using something to defend it is on you,feel free to look up your own stats.
     
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    I think men becoming women is the ultimate smashing of "patriarchy" as they say.
     
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    Now you are moving the goal posts.

    Women's cycling is doing things because of the push from the far Left.

    Your previous argument is wrong.
     
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    They're tasting from their own medicine. It's super amusing. Good for the winner. Good for him.
     
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    Well, women are still getting screwed. These men are stealing from these women as surely as Warren is stealing from Women of Color.
     
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    Duh! Thanks for the news flash. And why do you think that is?

    Untrue and irrelevant.
    If she was a he (as she was), she will have higher levels of that thing that enhances sporting performance therefore making her victory over real women hollow and illegitimate. But science deniers like you
    don't seem to care.

    Irrelevant and untrue, again. The salient fact is that the transsexual has an inherent advantage when competing against biologically real women. Cycling rules are totally beside the point but when you have nothing
    to cling to you grasp at anything, don't you.


    Time for you to stop condoning cheaters.
     
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    A biological male won a women's event. Well La-tee-da.......
     
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    I think statistics could be very informative here. Don't you?
     
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    Umm...all of them when transgendered males are not in the field! What a stupid thoughtless comment.
    Yes. Naturally. Because why would we? There isn't any great news or surprise when one woman in a female cycling competition winds up beating her competition. Duh!

    Because it was. It is
    doping through sexual reassignment. Look at the picture of the winner next to the second and third place finishers. https://nypost.com/2018/10/16/transgender-cyclist-slams-bigots-after-winning-world-championship/

    Do you see anything significantly different about the tranny who won?
    Jen Wagner-Assali says she was cheated and she is right!
     
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    Seek and ye shall find:

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bryn...letes-have-an-unfair-advantage_b_4918835.html

    Do Transgender Athletes Have an Unfair Advantage?
    Perhaps no transgender issue brings out more anger than the idea of transgender women competing in athletics. This was evident again when a female transgender CrossFit athlete was told, in writing, by the CrossFit governing body that she cannot compete as a woman. She in turn filed suit. However, the most disturbing part of this incident is the offensive and ignorant language used by CrossFit in their letter of explanation:

    ...

    The International Olympic Committee (IOC) settled the issue of transgender athletes in 2004, when they released the rules for them to compete. The IOC rules boil down to three basic points:

    • They must have had gender reassignment surgery.
    • They must have legal recognition of their assigned gender.
    • They must have at least two years of hormone therapy.
    Given these conditions, the IOC does not consider being transgender an unfair advantage. The IOC did, however, consider drinking too much coffee an unfair competitive advantage for nearly 20 years. The IOC still considers baking soda a potential doping agent, though. Many common cough syrups, lozenges, eye drops, cold medications, diet products, nasal sprays, and allergy medications will also result in a medical disqualification for being at an unfair advantage. Clearly, the IOC does not approach matters of unfair advantage with an under-abundance of caution.

    ...

    Indeed, given that women get 25 percent of their circulating testosterone from their ovaries, post-operative transgender women typically have less testosterone than their counterparts. Fox noted, “Any of the women I’m competing against, my testosterone levels are drastically lower than theirs; it’s almost nothing.”

    Dr. Bowers agreed: “When you test her, she’s going to come out with low testosterone levels and muscle mass that is remarkably similar to her counterparts.” These observations were borne out in Fallon Fox’s first defeat at the hands of Ashlee Evans-Smith, where Fox’s muscle fatigue in later rounds gave Smith an advantage. After the fight, Smith observed, “I won because I hit harder, grappled better, had better ground techniques, cardio and leg strength.”

    ...

    Still, there is empirical evidence out there. If being a female transgender athlete is such an unfair competitive advantage, why aren’t transgender women dominant at the highest levels? Why aren’t there more of them? Why aren’t cisgender (non-transgender) female athletes being injured in competitions involving transgender athletes? The fact that we see none of these things suggests that there really isn’t a competitive advantage.

    In professional sports, any tiny advantage translates into the difference between a win and a loss. If being a transgender woman translates into a substantial competitive advantage, you would expect to see them consistently dominating at the top levels of their sports. In fact, we see exactly the opposite: Professional female transgender athletes are exceedingly rare.

    For anyone left on the fence, though, I have a question: Would you prefer to base your opinions on what all the top medical experts, and empirical evidence, say? Or would you rather side with the kind of folks who comment on YouTube?
    _______________________________

    Well, this at least details the relevant science, and the issue of win/loss statistics and anecdotes is also addressed. It is clear that transgender people do not enjoy a biological advantage. People just get enraged in their ignorance whenever a transgender happens to win a competition, because they ignorantly assume that biology was behind the win.
     

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