Why Outlaw Assault Rifles

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  1. Xenamnes

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    Is the M4 carbine a rifle marketed for private ownership, available at any federally licensed firearms dealer?

    Is the AR-15 a rifle that was designed from the ground up to fulfill all requirements for military use and deployment, and not available for private ownership or use by anyone outside of the military?
     
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    But badly wounded and out of action is every bit as good as dead and people screaming in pain are far harder to ignore than those dead.
     
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    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Brilliant repartee

    not..

    You've lost this round but then given your level of understanding of the subject at hand you never had a chance.
     
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    No 9 iron comment this time comedian?

    What complete made up nonsense. And why did you make it up, because you had to cover for the fact that you said you'd fare better with a pistol over an M4.
     
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  5. Xenamnes

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    The pistol, at least, does not use a direct impingement gas system that is easily fouled and clogged.
     
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    Yeah, well, the debate isn't should it be replaced by a pistol.

     
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    Did you catch someone arguing from dishonesty and/or ignorance?
    Why yes, yes you did.
     
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    Agreed. I’m fully convinced the “ban assault weapons” is just a ploy to ban all weapons in an incremental fashion. They go after the weapons the least people have and work their way up to the weapons most people have.
     
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    Unquestionably.
     
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    Of course, the goal was to ban the most scary-looking weapons first, then eventually, as Diane Feinstein said, "ban them all"
     
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    A lot of the early fouling problems with the M-16 where traced back to calcium used in the smokeless powder of the rounds, a few decades back I bought a early version of a Colt AR-15 and ran hundreds or rounds through it without any fouling problems and with the newer units the problem seems to have totally disappeared.
     
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    That depends on far back you want to push the history of the AR-15, ArmaLite designed the AR-15 from the AR-10 which was a fully auto firearm firing 7,62 X 51mm, as such the first AR-15's where full auto and renamed by the military M-16.

    ArmaLite ran into money problems and sold the patent for the AR-10, AR-15 and the names to Colt Firearms who produced two versions of the firearm one called the AR-15 which was locked to semi-auto and another the M-16 which was the military's Assault Rifle.

    The early AR-15's could be converted after the fact to full auto and to prevent that Colt began using larger pins in the lower to prevent the use of full auto conversion kits.

    And in addition to that BATFE has ruled the conversion kits are Class III precluding their sale without going through the Class III process, which if someone was going to do they would just buy an M4A1 versus frigging up an AR.
     
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    The Armalite AR-15, however, is in no way the same thing as the AR-15 currently being produced. It is a name, a designation for the purpose of including in catalogs and order forms, and absolutely nothing more. Calling a bowling ball a pumpkin because both are round does not mean one can make a pie out of it.
     
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    How is it different?
     
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    The Armalite AR-15 was selective fire, an NFA/military firearm. The current AR-15 is neither*

    *Unless SBRd.
     
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    NFA, not NRA.
     
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    Thanks, but he seemed to be implying it was more than just the "fun switch".
     
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    The M-4 military rifle (in the version that is used by the military) is not available at any federally licensed firearms dealer. It is capable of automatic fire, and has a 14.5 inch barrel. It was also first fielded in 1994, which means no civilian full auto versions of it were allowed to be sold on the commercial market for automatic weapons (no gun produced after 1986 can be in that market).
    Well, the problem is that terminology changed, and the same name (AR-15) is used for the original military rifle (which was capable of full automatic fire) and the commercial rifle sold. The commercial rifle is semi-automatic only, and cannot be readily converted without a parts kit (the parts kit is legally considered an automatic weapon, without a barrel, or receiver).
     
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    100 meters is not a difficult shot; it can be made with a handgun by someone who knows what they're doing.
     
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    That'd be a helluva pistol. :)
     
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    The following video shows someone capable of accurately hitting a target at two hundred years with a compact handgun.

     
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    Jerry is a professional shooter, had to aim over 3 feet above the target and the spread was such that, out of 6 rounds, a still standing person would only have been hit twice. Doable, but unlikely to hit a moving, pissed off target shooting back with an AK-47. [​IMG]
     
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    Four shots one hit by a man who shoots for a living, I doubt anyone else could pull that off.

    And the next time some Anti posts a need to ban high-cap mags let them watch how fast this can fire off eighteen rounds with a single six shooter.
     
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    The point being that it is the capabilities of the operator, not of the firearm itself.
     

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