Breaking: Francis Fukuyama Declares that Socialism Should Come Back

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  1. Carl Von Clausewitz

    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    You said for me to name an authoritative government that had its nation's best interests at heart where I named one.

    You didn't say name an authoritative government without controversy which as far as I know doesn't exist for any kind of government whatsoever.
     
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    Because government is full corrupt people who manipulate any system to their advantage.

    The difference being that government has force of law behind it.
     
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    No you named one that had his own interests at heart and used force to achieve it
     
  4. Carl Von Clausewitz

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    Government also has laws which means people in charge of regulating, supervising, or planning an economy within government are held responsible under law for all of their actions as representatives.

    When you have private corporate entities from the shadows effecting domestic economic policy through government they're not so easily held unaccountable for their actions in that they're not official state actors, big difference.
     
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  5. Carl Von Clausewitz

    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    Do you even know who I am talking about and his reputation amongst his own countrymen?

    They revere him and call him the father of modern day Singapore.
     
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    Wrong.

    The government makes the law which means they can easily exempt themselves from accountibility under the law.

    The only way to stop corporate interests from manilpulating government is to have less government.
     
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    Yes I do know who he was much like any big brother is revered.
     
  8. Carl Von Clausewitz

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    That's your only retort?
     
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    Apparently you have nothing to refute it with
     
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    **** you, yama! Ha, I’m so clever...
     
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    Honduras is a capitalist country?? Honduras has terrible levels of market regulation, such as price controls on food, fuel and clothing. Electricity and telephone are run by state monopolies and they have onerous regulations for starting a business, especially for foreign investors. Calling Honduras a "capitalist country" is on par with saying Maxine Waters is a smart and intellectually beautiful women. It's an oxymoron.

    The major problem with socialism is the human element. The majority of humans tend to leach off the working class which is why it'll never work successfully.
     
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  12. Carl Von Clausewitz

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    So let me get this straight here, in order to get rid of private corporate interests in government is to take away governments ability to regulate or enforce law? That seems unlikely.
     
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    No worries there ;)
     
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    Actually he asked
    Your equivalency to a country with 350 million is a country with a population the size Minnesota ;) I think there may be a few complications Lee Kuan Yew never had to deal with :)

    Although he did pick his friends well :)
    [​IMG]
     
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    Well that settles it then. If this unknown professor, who lives in academia, says it then, that's what we should do.
     
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    What you personally do has never been an issue. No one's stopping you from paying 75% of your income in taxes. The "pay more" option is there for you any time you'd like.
     
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    The difference is that our "poor" are middle class in other countries.

    The US "poverty level" is higher than the median income in Israel, Portugal, Poland and other countries.

    A "poor" person in the US is almost making as much as the median income in Japan, Italy, and the UK.

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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...an-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#4cc6a31054ef

    https://mises.org/wire/poor-us-are-richer-middle-class-much-europe
     
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    I let folks that know logistics calculate logistics, and then I either review or trust their assessment based upon my confidence in them. If you want stagnation of innovation in process, dictate how everything must be done.
     
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    You're being jokey, but I said at 1990 dollars. I guess you haven't read a lot of wealth studies.
     
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    Good job owning up to being anti freedom.
     
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    You are correct in that they are slightly different. I came through two recessions where as 2018 is freaking booming. I graduated college during the end of the dot com. The point is that being poor in the United States is temporary and easily overcame by someone with average or above intelligence. Second point, being poor in America isn't that bad.
     
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  22. Carl Von Clausewitz

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    Freedom is overrated, I'm more of a law, security, stability, and social order kind of guy.

    If a majority of people are happy, confident, and feel stable or prosperous the concept of freedom is more of a misnomer.
     
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    There is way of having a conforming environment that doesn't stifle innovation.
     
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    Yes, I've heard these population number index arguments before and I don't believe in them for a moment.
     
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    That's just it though, in other countries. Poverty is relative to the nation it originates in.

    It is inaccurate to compare countries to each other in the way you're doing with all the different laws, economic systems, public welfare systems, and currencies distinct to each nation individually. The cost of living isn't the same either nor is the standard of living as a whole.

    A dollar is worth a lot in Argentina but go to Denmark, Germany, or Norway it is worth a lot less.
     
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