Special Report: How Iran spreads disinformation around the world

Awwww....Cmon…..can't we be evil for once. Just once. I promise.

 

Also should mention the other hilarious hypocrisy of the iran regime water carriers; they bash the US for "interfering in the iranian government 75 years ago," but defend its right to do so today in lebanon, syria, gaza, yemen, bahrain and iraq.

So its a "problem" if the US interferes, but if iran sends in an outside terrorist group to overthrow the regime and turn the country into a vassal state - that's"ok," got it.

Like watching small children playing with play doh.

 

Are you aware that the Iranians took hostages under BO the Peep. Who did nothing.

 

No, at the time we (Reagan) were dealing with Baghdad, not the Kurds. We armed Saddam during Iraq-Iran war, and that included WMDs. The gassing did not become an issue until Bush needed it in his propaganda to make case for war against Iraq.

 

LMFAO. Or how many colour TV sets per capita. That should prove your point very superficially indeed.

 

That's true alright.

 

Several US individuals were arrested for illegally crossing the border into Iran. Hostages? No, prisoners.

Start a war over it?

Dumb idea.

 

That is true. It just seems to me that we are setting up soem kind of world power that may be dangerous or maybe it is nescesary to stop someone else from doing the same?
Guess somebody has to rule the world and if so that is best if we are the one to do so. Don't know.

 

Not really....you forget the Kurds were spread across 3 countries. So it was a bit more complicated for catering to one group.

 

Uhm the Iranians captured a US Fastboat/Pt Boat. Outside Iranian Waters.That is US tech. Boarded and captured US Naval Sevicemen and woman. Paraded them Down their version of Broadway.

Its an Act of War committed by Iran.

Dumb Idea to do nothing about it. Yes.

 

Well Rush did say Farewell to the Kings.

It was Closer to the Heart.



And the men who hold high places
Must be the ones who start
To mold a new reality
Closer to the heart

The blacksmith and the artist
Reflect it in their art
They forge their creativity
Closer to the heart
Yes closer to the heart

Philosophers and plowmen
Each must know his part
To sow a new mentality
Closer to the heart
Yes closer to the heart, yeah,

Whoa whoa
You can be the captain
And I will draw the chart
Sailing into destiny
Closer to the heart.....snip~

 

Nice poem MMC.

 

MMC I don't know of a time in world history that is hasn't been going on.
Cultures and tribes just keep playing musical chairs of whos next to rule the world.

 

They are not the same clan.

 

The gassing was already an issue as both sides were doing it. Iran and Iraq.


The Reagan Administration's Approach to Middle East Peacemaking

• Iran and Iraq are now negotiating under U.N. auspices to bring an end to eight years of bloody and destructive war in the gulf. The results of these talks will have a profound influence on the entire region.
  

• Ballistic missiles and chemical weapons continue to proliferate. The use of chemical weapons by both sides in the Gulf War, and Iraq's use of these weapons against the Kurds, are grim reminders of the dangers these weapons pose to the conduct of international relations.
  

• In Afghanistan, Soviet troops are withdrawing. The people of Afghanistan look forward to the end of Soviet intervention.....snip~

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org...strations-approach-to-middle-east-peacemaking


Here is what you were missing.



American support for Ba'athist Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, in which it fought against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars' worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, and special operations training.[1][2] However, the U.S. did not directly supply arms to Iraq.[3] Of particular interest for contemporary Iran–United States relations are the repeated accusations that the U.S. government actively encouraged Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein to invade Iran (proponents of this theory frequently describe the U.S. as having given Saddam a "green light"), supported by a considerable amount of circumstantial evidence, but the U.S. government officially denies that any such collusion occurred, and no conclusive proof of it has been found.

Similarly, the head of the Iran desk at the State Department, Henry Precht, stated: "I had no impression at the time that anyone believed Iraq was planning a major attack although we thought that [Iraqi President] Saddam [Hussein] might be stirring up the Kurds. At the time I did not think he would take on his larger and still probably more potent neighbor."[6][8] On the other hand, Gasiorowski contended that "If Iran's leaders had acted on the information provided in Cave's briefings ... the brutal eight–year [Iran–Iraq War] might never have occurred."[

Throughout this time, Iraq's intentions toward Iran were not entirely clear, as "the Iraqi government was continuing to put out diplomatic feelers, unsuccessfully inviting a delegation led by Bazargan to visit Iraq in July 1979," while the CIA concluded in November (despite Cave's warning the previous month) that Iraq intended "to settle its differences with Iran through negotiations." Muhammed Dosky, "a Kurdistan Democratic Party representative in Washington," also believed "Iraq's overriding goal was to persuade the new government in Tehran to live up to the conditions of the Algiers Accord ... Iraq was using Kurdish groups not out of a sense of opportunism, or as a prelude to the coming conflict, but in order to consolidate agreements made with the Shah." Saddam was willing to work with Iranian moderates such as Yazdi, whom he met in Havana in October, but "the mass resignation of the Bazargan government" following the November 4th seizure of the U.S. embassy and initiation of the Iran hostage crisis—and the resulting consolidation of power under Khomeini—"would profoundly change Saddam's decision-making calculus."[6] While the Iraqi archives suggest that Saddam contemplated invading Iran as early as February 1979, he was deterred from doing so until July 1980, at which point "purges and revolutionary chaos" had rendered Iran grossly unprepared for the attack.

By mid-1982, the war's momentum had shifted decisively in favor of Iran, which invaded Iraq to depose Saddam's government.[3][21] CIA analyst Bruce Riedel recounted: "You just had a series of catastrophic Iraqi defeats. They had been driven out of Iran, and the Iraqi army looked like it was falling apart."[22] "The Reagan administration feared that Iran's army might slice through Iraq to the oilfields of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia";[23] Veliotes, then "Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs," "outlined a nightmare scenario in which the Iranians invade Iraq, they defeat Iraq, and then head straight for Israel, which is distracted and debilitated by its ongoing adventure in Lebanon." As a result, the U.S. gradually abandoned its policy of neutrality.[22]

"The United States could not afford to allow Iraq to lose the war to Iran.

According to Kenneth Timmerman, "Saddam did foresee one immediate consequence of his invasion of Iran: the suspension of arms supplies from the USSR."[2]

When he launched his attack, the Soviets were busy playing games in Iran. They were not amused that the Iraqis upset their plans. For generations the KGB had been working to penetrate Iran's Shiite clergy. In February 1979, when Ayatollah Khomeini took power and threw the Americans out of Iran, the Soviets stood to gain more than they had ever believed possible. ... KGB boss Yuri Andropov [had] little difficulty in convincing Brezhnev and Kosygin to agree to an embargo on arms to Iraq... p. 83-84

....snip~

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_War

 

Doesn't matter, they all wanted a Kurdistan.

 

Ok. I was asking MMC, who thinks we should start a war with Iran because of something they did 38 years ago.

 

Saudi Arabians killed over 3000 on 9/11, and Iraqis killed 4000+ more. A war was never declared on Iraq. Heck, the Vietnamese killed over 50 000. No declaration of war.

 

Which I already pointed out the flaw with that logic, and hostages being taken when BO the peep was in Office. As well as the capture of the fastboat.

 

Inside Iranian waters, and they were released. Good reason to start a war? No, a very stupid reason to start a war.

I get it that you want a war, but you don't get it that thousands of Americans would die, with practically no gain. We'd be stuck there forever policing a very large country. Could you just watch some war movies to satisfy the desire for war-porn.

 

It is not logic, it is a historical fact. The situation was defused 38 years ago, and starting a war in 2018 over something which happened 38 years ago is an incredibly bad idea.

 

MMC we have to also consider whos name was on the gas cylinders used on the people?
Wasn't it USA and France?
Then again we don't know anything other than what they want us to know. So we just have to hope they are doign whats good for the world in the long run.

 

Yes you keep running back 38 years. But no one is talking about that. Were talking about. Jan 12 2016.

Here is the clue. From one of your leftist sources.


Pentagon: 2 U.S. Navy Boats Held by Iran Military - NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pentagon-2-u-s-navy-boats-held...
Iranian military forces seized two U.S. Navy boats and are holding them on the Irans Farsi Island in the middle of the Persian Gulf in custody.

Pardon the pun.....all up to speed now?

 

It was the 2nd time after your deflection to the Embassy incident.....which doesn't count playing chicken with our Ships. Nor calling for the Death of America. Nor killing Americans in Iraq.

They were in the Persian gulf.

I get it you would allow a adversary country to kill your countrymen, take hostages, and constantly call for your destruction, and do nothing about it.

Perhaps you need to watch something else other than the TV show Friends. While Jennifer Aniston is hot. She isn't an Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

I recommend you try watching.....The Empire Strikes back. Just on the main theme alone.

 

That has nothing to do with the point you were trying to make.