Special Report: How Iran spreads disinformation around the world

A state propaganda machine complaining about another state propaganda machine is the new normal.

Your beloved El Saud is the biggest terrorist cancer on the planet.

 

I understand. But what they did 38 years ago was justified so to go to war over it is beyond any sense even it was only one week ago. All they did was take their country back from the U.S. and secured written (but shredded) documents as proof for those who didn't believe them. That makes MMC doubly wrong.

 

YOU kept talking about the hostages.

If you are now talking about the sailors who were arrested and then released in 2016, then you have an even worse excuse to say we need to start a war.

It seems you just want war, and offer the complete non-issues to start it. If we had Iranian sailors in US waters you can bet your ass they'd be arrested too. What the heck were those sailors doing there?

Its simple: Stay off other countries territorial waters, and you won't end up embarrassing yourself.

Start a war over it, and see thousands of Americans die?

No. Demote the sailors who screwed up.

 

According to the US Military they were in Iranian waters, but I guess you know better.

Go watch some war-porn, and quit asking for Americans to sacrifice their lives over some BS incidents.

 

You should talk, ron paul worshipper. Would be nice if you knew WTF you are talking about, which you don't.

#1 - Normal sea practice would have been to provide mechanical assistance or tow the ship to port and wait for a neutral 3rd party ship to tow or remove the passengers.

#2 - Parading them on camera is a violation of the Geneva Conventions

Maybe know something before spouting nonsense?

Reagan's greatest mistake was not attacking and destroying the regime after the marine barracks bombing. Once it became known that iran's regime was behind it, all vestiges of that regime should have been liquidated. By not responding strongly, it signaled to iran they had a free hand in attacking the US and taking hostages, which it did extensively during the 1980s, both in Lebanon and elsewhere.

It emboldened the worst filth of humanity, a mess it is now time to fix.

 

But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...But what about...

If KSA became a democracy tomorrow, would you iran regime water carriers then say, "oh but the US is 'friends' with...uhhhhhh.....Oman and they are really not a democracy...."

Are you under the impression you are convincing rational adults with these "arguments"?

 

Wrong on both counts.

Do you even know what Geneva Convention is, and when it applies?

Apparently not, but allow me to help

Either its "normal sea practice" as you call it, or it is "armed conflict". It can't be both, as you suggest.

The truth is that in this case it is neither, since there is no armed conflict between US and Iran, and whatever you call "normal sea practice" hardly applies when you find a Navy vessel belonging to a foreign military in your territorial waters. If they had been fishermen with engine trouble, then that is another story, but a navy boat will be seized by just about any country except an ally.

 

I really like your post even though I don't agree with some of your ideas.

American democracy is functioning not despite the ideological divide, but because of it. Compromise is the name of the democratic game. Can't have democracies without compromises, can't have compromises without acceptance of differing political beliefs and group interests.

Looking back at major historical events, we can safely say that the way to progress passes straight through hell. No gain was ever without pain.

I agree with pretty much everything else.

 

do you even know how condescending that is... especially since you've been wrong about Osama Bin Laden and you're wrong about Saudi Arabia.... maybe "you" should broaden "your" mindset.

Besides why don't you search for Saudi torture women drivers there are multiple sources....

 

Those who constantly warmonger against Iran are as far from reality as can be. And their track record on foreign policy is a disaster.

 

Iran wasn't the one who invaded and occupied Iraq based on lies, that was the US government. If the Bush administration hadn't started a war based on lies, all those Americans who died in Iraq would be alive right now. But instead of holding US politicians accountable for their lies and their malfeasance, you dishonestly point the finger at Iran for doing what any country would have done in the same situation.

 

Hypocrisy is the foundation of US foreign policy. It would not exist otherwise.

 

Boy, you really hate it when your hypocrisy is pointed out. I suggest you get to used to it.

 

Pretending to have some facts now? Don't bother.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/irans-revolutionary-guard-to-question-detained-u-s-sailors-1452672825

"Obama administration officials have said their initial determination is that the 10 sailors were treated well and with respect after Iranian forces detained their two small Navy boats in the Persian Gulf on Tuesday. But the videos depicted questionable actions by Iran’s elite military force, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The Geneva Conventions, which govern military conflicts, ban the practice of parading prisoners for purposes of “insults” and propaganda. The State Department said Wednesday afternoon that U.S. officials were looking into the videos and would respond if the U.S. determined that the sailors were treated inappropriately."

Now that we know how far obama bent over like a $2 ho for the iranians, allowed hezbollah to import billions of dollars of cocaine into the US, and sent pallets of cash in the night on unmarked planes to ensure the lunatic iran nuke deal went through, its no surprise he did not take them to task for mistreating the sailors.

WRONG.

If there were no active conflict then iran needed to provide help to the boat, not take its sailors hostage.

If there was an active conflict, iran violated the GC by parading them on TV.

Either way, iran was wrong.

And not surprisingly, so are you.

 

War, war, war.

That's your solution to everything.

It was your solution for Iraq and look how that turned out.

Oh, and everything you say is dripping with hypocrisy.

 

No need to pretend. I presented facts. Feel free to disagree. There is no armed conflict between our countries, as you seem to say yourself (before you contradicted yourself).

Normal sea practice my arse. If there was an Iranian navy ship in US waters, you think we'd just send come mechanics over to fix their boat? A navy ship entering our waters is a violation of our territorial waters, and such thing could escalate into an armed conflict. Thankfully it did not happen in this case, and our sailors were released.

 

You're talking about KSA's treatment of women while ignoring what iran has done to Neda, Zahra Kazemi, and the thousands of women they've imprisoned/murdered in their gulags?

https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/coe/iranian-christian-women-describe-worlds-brutal-prison/

 

Listening to an apologist for US empire cite international law is always good for a laugh.

Tell me, where was this respect for international laws and norms when the US invaded and occupied Iraq based on lies?

How many Middle Eastern countries do you intend on destroying before you are satisfied anyway? Haven't you killed enough people already?

 

In Iran, women can vote and hold political office.

In Saudi Arabia, nobody can vote because their government consists of an unelected despotism.

Your hypocrisy is profound.

 

It is ASTONISHING that the same people who were responsible for the disastrous Iraq war are now back demanding another disastrous war in Iran. And just like the Iraq war, they are spreading nonstop lies and exaggerations about Iran.

 

Believe it or not, but a war with Iran would cost far more in blood and treasure than the one against Iraq. And for what? Listen to the excuses.....they are even worse than last time.

 

These warmongers are out of their minds.

 

We can also be sure that the ones most in favor of this war will be the ones furthest away from the front lines when the fighting starts. Nothing worse than a chickenhawk who starts a war but doesn't fight in it.

 

makes me frightened to see my fellow Jews try to get the USA to fight another war for Israel.

 

I make no apologies for Iran, I merely commented on Pisa thinking MbS is on a crusade for women's rights