What makes a mass shooter?

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  1. Well Bonded

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    Total bullcrap.

    Sutherland Springs church shooting.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting

    As Kelley left the church, he was confronted by and traded fire with Stephen Willeford, a local resident and former NRA firearms instructor] who was armed with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. Willeford had taken cover behind a truck across the street from the church and shot Kelley twice, once in the leg and in the upper left torso under his tactical gear. Kelley, who had dropped his rifle upon the initial fire with Willeford, fired back with a handgun before fleeing in his Ford Explorer.

    Willeford fired one more round as Kelley sped north on FM 539.] He then noticed a pickup truck parked at the intersection of 4th St. and FM 539, driven by Johnnie Langendorff.
    Willeford approached and entered Langendorff's truck on the passenger side. They then pursued Kelley at high speed for about five to seven minutes. According to Langendorff, they drove at speeds up to 95 miles per hour (155 km/h).[18] While chasing Kelley, Langendorff called 9-1-1 and reported their location to the operator as they assumed that the police were on their way to the church.
     
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    Really, twenty seven dead and that is not an act of terrorism?
     
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    Not thwarted, as in prevented from coming to pass, but actually stopped. The following is just such a case:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-texas-church-shooter-the-nra-found-its-hero/

    And yet the number of acid attacks in those countries are increasing. So just how safe is the citizenry of the nation of Europe, or any other nation, where at any moment in time they can have acid thrown right in their face, and they will have no warning about such?
     
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    Again this has nothing whatsoever to do with organised terrorism just another maniac gun nutter which your society seems proud to produce in abundance .... but after the bloodstains get washed away its really all about exercising 'freedom' right ? :(
     
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    Organized terrorism is not what was being discussed. Certainly not in such terms that would differentiate between coordinated efforts between known international terrorist cells, and those acting in a designated lone-wolf manner. Obviously such an attempt at changing the discussion was done in part to try and change the narrative, as it can be demonstrated that terrorist attacks in the united states have been stopped by members of the public being able to shoot back.

    If supporters of greater firearm-related restrictions are going to refer to these mass shooters as terrorists, then their own tactics and methodology will be used against them when it serves a point.

    If one in the united states is accused to committing murder, are they able to cite the second amendment as a legal defense against the charges levied against them? Can they claim they were simply exercising their constitutional right to murder others with the use of a firearm?
     
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    No after all that you are simply in denial. The plain fact is your guns have made no difference whatsoever to terrorism in the US as it is recognised internationally. Your centuries long obsolete second amendment is simply the excuse you use to hide your collective national barbarism and despite the math you seem of proud that.
     
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    First you referred to terrorism and terrorist attacks in a basic, general sense. When confronted with evidence such terrorist attacks have been successfully stopped in the united states by armed members of the public shooting back, you attempted to change the discussion to organized terrorism, to try and ignore lone-wolf types of terrorist attacks as it undermined the narrative. Such is not going to occur, as such a moving of the goalpost is not going to be allowed.

    And yet the united states has been subjected to far fewer terrorist attacks, especially successful terrorist attacks, than the nations of Europe or France, or any other nation that may be held up for comparison purposes. Such cannot actually be denied in an intellectually honest manner. Such is why the city of London is now classified as being more violent than the city of New York.

    Then by all means, simply leave the discussion. Those being addressed on the part of yourself have no interest in paying any attention to the claims being presented by yourself, so simply stop talking, and cease wasting the time of yourself and others in this futile endeavor.
     
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    At the end of the day Europeans are some 200 times less likely to come to a violent end via terrorism than you are via domestic gun violence which says it all really :wink:
     
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    I don't know you but I'll bet any one that you're smart enough to know that hasn't got a thing to do with Jonestown.
     
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    And the end of the day, the above claim amounts to nothing of substance other than the country of Europe is subjected to far more terrorist attacks than the united states.
     
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    It is interesting how Jones did get many Democratic politicians to praise him and say such glowingly nice things about him. From the private meeting with Walter Mondale in his campaign run for president, Rosalynn Carter speaking at the headquarters grand opening in San Francisco, to Governor Brown sing his praises and meeting with him. Democrats will most definitely sell their soul for a vote.
     
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    This is the nuttiest thing I have ever heard
     
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    Of course it does.

    You're smart enough to understand why, but I understand why you're pretending it doesn't.

    One cult is the same as any other.

    Jones was a Democrat. All his little buddies were Democrats. One of them is currently the governor of CA.

    The video I just showed you is of the same cult like behavior in modern leftists.
     
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    I changed my mind. Now this is the nuttiest thing I have ever heard
     
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    One of the smartest posts posted in days.
     
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    Crazy
     
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    Please prove me wrong that he had these meetings. My source is wikipedia.
     
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    Uh....so? Are you saying Democrats knew exactly what Jones was doing? That is like saying politicians that met with priests approved of pedophilia. Dud they?
     
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    I am saying Democrats will jump in to bed with anyone. Even before his move to central America he was a nut. But California politicians love nuts that can bring them votes. And with his move to California and his increasingly anti Christian rhetoric they loved him even more. He was even made Chairman to San Francisco Housing Authority because of his help in get the mayor elected.

    How many times have you posted about Trump get the support of White Supremacists. This is support he denounces and does not acknowledge or want and you have no problem lumping him I to those group. And here you have High level Democrats jumping into bed bed with a cult nut and you have crickets.
     
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