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Medicare For All is best way to capitalism:

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by james M, Jan 12, 2019.

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Gee wiz, go figure, people like getting subsidized by others
     
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    Its called democracy
     
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    actually we both know that I have, repeatedly.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The free market always beats government in delivering the most product to the most people at the lowest cost.

    But if government comes in and low balls medical providers (driving many out of the business), I suppose you could get lower expenses .... and the accompanying shortages.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Private insurers subsidize Medicare. When the private insurers disappear, it’s all going to hit the fan.
     
    Texas Republican, Jan 15, 2019
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  6. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    What's a live birth as recorded in your "data"?
    Be specific.
     
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  7. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Just take the second rate applicants and make them doctors
     
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    We already have shortages as doctors go into specialized fields to make more money.

    The free market works best when customer has choice, there is no choice when you are having a heart attack.
     
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    You have a choice to buy a catastrophic plan
     
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    just copy Canada and the savings pay off national debt in ten years. Do you understand?
     
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    prices are not set on the spot in supermarket or hospital when a customer walks in. If posted price for heart attack care is high those who have a choice won't go there and they will go bankrupt leading to a competitive price long before you have a heart attack. Now do you understand?
     
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    what on earth are you talking about??? If you have any idea please tell us.
     
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    Medicare reimbursement is crap
     
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    So you want Medicare for all, and then switch it to free markets with published prices and higher copays as per op??
     
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    what does that mean?
     
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    Canada reimburses at 33% of USA so obviously it makes sense to copy them as a start.
     
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    That may not be accepted in the area you have a heart attack in.
    Let me guess, never leave home! or buy multiple plans! Or tattoo on your chest only take me to the hospital at xyz and only let doctors A and D see me. If it’s too far push me out of the ambulance and call me an Uber. Right?

    Our healthcare experiment doing it your way has failed.

    It has resulted in the most expensive care with a worse outcome that still bankrupts our citizens.
     
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    our care is good but prices are 3 times higher than Canada. So we should switch to Medicare for all capitalism to beat their price and quality.
     
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    The sun might stop shining

    What's a "worse outcome"?
     
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    Its significantly lower than commercial reimbursement
     
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    and????
     
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    Worse than what we are paying for.
    Most first world nations have better healthcare than we do.

    I don’t understand your “sun” remark, or does that mean you have run out of an argument?
     
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  23. squidward

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    You offering to take a 30-40% pay cut to pay for your wonderful socialist system, or are you suggesting others take it for you?
     
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    By what measure?

    May not is a neat term
     
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    Here is one metric ranking us “Worst in the developed world”
    I have tons more. Long term care, short term care, infant mortality, life expectancy, safe care, effectiveness, effeciancy, coordination...

    Pick a metric
     
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