Prolonged shutdown could leave millions without food stamps and hit small businesses

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Once the government gets involved individuals will be screwed good and will be wishing of the good days prior to the sellout that is known as Obama Care.
     
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    Two different programs, two different forms of funding, dismantling Medicare would be a total disaster, Medicaid already is and is killing a lot of state treasuries.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reducing the size of government by expanding it is an oxymoron.
     
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    A valid point. The wealthy do not need any help meeting their healthcare needs. The cost of either vouchers are vested healthcare accounts could be much lower if they are excluded.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And it's not the governments (the peoples) job to help the poor either.
     
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    The power of government resides primarily in its bureaucracy. But money is power, which is why I suggested vested individual accounts for productive workers. Pay for it by liquidating government programs and their assets. There may be some theoretically better way to make it happen, but I doubt that there is any other politically viable way to do it through the democratic electoral process.
     
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    When the people's elected government imposes a minimum wage which instantly eliminates millions of jobs the people have created a collective responsibility for those who are idled. Once you sic the government on problems there are consequences.
     
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    Such as?
     
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    The eliminate the minimum wage, not shift the burden to others.
     
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    1. Eliminate unsatisfactory programs departments and agencies and transfer the revenue that was flowing into them to meet some critical need, instance vested healthcare accounts for the productive workers - voters.
    2. Liquidate the now surplus real estate and use the proceeds for the same purpose.
     
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    Good in theory. Politically impossible.
     
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    Define such, to the government and those served by the program setup they are all satisfactory.

    The majority of federal government offices are in leased buildings which the government doesn't own, so what would be sold for a one time income to support an ongoing new program?
     
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    Revenue flows into the government and through bureaucracy and legions of crony capitalists - the real reason for the whole inefficient mess, and trickle down to the people who become dependent on a corrupt ruling political class for their health and survival. Progress: cutting out the middle men.
    Which would you vote for - a vested individual healthcare account - or dependency on a massive government program?
     
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    You've clearly never lived paycheck to paycheck...
     
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    There's 13 million people that get health insurance under the ACA that had none prior. Where is that better replacement for the ACA that your president promised you? Oh right, there isn't any.

    Repeal of the individual mandate and expansion of loosely regulated plans are affecting 2019 premiums. The Trump administration also announced new rules that will allow more loosely regulated plans – short-term limited duration (STLD) plans and association health plans (AHPs) – to proliferate on the individual market in competition with ACA-compliant coverage.

    These more loosely regulated plans will serve as a more affordable option for some people who are not eligible for the ACA’s premium tax credits. However, particularly in the case of short-term plans, this lower-cost coverage is generally unavailable to people with pre-existing conditions and the plans often exclude coverage for certain services. These plans will attract disproportionately healthy individuals away from ACA-compliant coverage, thus having an upward effect on premiums in the ACA-compliant individual market.

    To summarize all of that, people that remain on the (sort of a) plan will have to pay more for it and may get a plan that doesn't cover people with pre-existing conditions and excludes coverage for some services.

    Does that sound good to you? Thankfully you may not be one of those unfortunate people that don't qualify for one of those sub-standard plans that don't cover long-term illnesses.
     
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    What does that question even mean?
     
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    Sure I have, its a choice you make. Ive made less than Min wage before, but I was still working. When I left my parents house 6 days of graduating high school, I had nothing.
     
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    I think what you are describing is the expansion of Mecicaid, which is a government charity program

    But millions of other Americans who had good private health insurance before obamacare lost their plans and had nothing or had to pay more
     
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    Than why are you wondering why they don't have 9 months of savings?! That's, by definition, impossible for anyone living paycheck to paycheck.
     
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    Leftist trivia.

    Neither.
     
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    And 20 million now have insurance they cannot afford to use except in emergencies, that's not a solution that's a travesty, a government manufactured travesty.
     
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    While a few losers became marginally insured and now that that hasn't worked the same fools who went along with Obama Care want more government intervention.

    Idiots, all of them.
     
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    Then such people need to adjust their budgets and not seek a government (other peoples money) handout.

    Live within your means, or suffer the consequences of failing to do so, your choice.
     
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    Federal government employees do not live paycheck to paycheck unless they have a gambling addiction or some other personal malfunction
     
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    Like a Kennedy.
     

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