Why do Republicans lobby on behalf of people who live like royalty?

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  1. Marine1

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    Only the big companies are getting those big tax loop holes, they can afford the lawyers and accountants. But small business makes up the largest employers in the country and those record high taxes and regulations hurt bad. Obama lost 300,00 manufacturing jobs alone and you can bet many were good paying jobs. It's those tax cuts to business that are bringing those good jobs back. Jobs Obama and Pelosi said was gone and not coming back. Is the Democrats going to chase them off again with higher taxes and regulations? Americans can't live on 90% service and part time jobs.

    Well your never going to get rid of guns. That's in our bill of rights and it takes 2/3 of the states to change it. I have no problem with everyone registering their guns, but most of these mass shootings were purchased legally. And these semi automatic hand guns are as deadly as an assault rifle. One of the biggest mass murders were done with a 9mil and 22cal hand guns. Over 30 people were killed.

    Most of these people aren't fleeing violence. They are here to get the jobs and benefits America has. Mexico offered all those people in that caravan jobs and health care and most turned it down
     
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    What’s so interesting is you just can’t give Obama credit. You have to demean everything. Look at what he inherited. 700,000 jobs were being lost every month and he turned it around and jobs were increasing every single month for years and that is what Trump inherited. Obama rescued us from a depression and the stock market tripled under him. If Trump had done that you would be calling him king Trump, but they do anyway
    People coming from Guatemala and Honduras are fleeing from violence a@s the worst poverty. I guess they don’t tell you that on Fox News. I’m sure you see the women and children fleeing in fear. Who told you that Mexico offered all those people jobs a n d healthcare?Let me guess a right wing site. Maybe that’s why more Mexicans are leaving that coming in...just think of how we could help our country with the 5 billion+ waste of money for a wall.But the little crying baby wanted and he will stop at nothing. His ego comes before country

    PS we are not asking to get rid of guns we are asking for gun control. Why does anyone need a semi automatic or a military style gun?
     
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    In all seriousness and without malice I ask; is this a rhetorical question or are you looking for an honest answer?
     
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    This is what right-wing socialists and members of the fake Christian right do..........
    Trump Has a Secret Plan to Cut Healthcare For the Poor and Elderly

    Donald Trump and members of his administration have been working for months on a secret plan to cutback the Medicaid program, which provides healthcare and nursing home benefits for the poor and elderly.
     
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    Well I guess it isn’t a secret anymore.
     
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    I don't know if this will matter to you or not, but there are more democrats in Congress who are millionaires than there are republicans!

    https://canadafreepress.com/article...lionaires-than-republican-.-.-.-and-heres-why
     
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    The problem with this perspective is that the people Conservatives support are working hard to suppress the American Dream. Red Establishment (along with Blue Establishment) hates fair and free markets. They love anti competitive practices, oligopolies, price fixing and so on. They love tax law and regulations which tilt the table away from the little guy and toward the Oligopolies.

    I am a hard core fiscal conservative who believes in the principles of Republicanism. These people are not.

    I also want to keep as much of my wealth as possible .. but Red Establishment loves wealth redistribution - (even more than Blue if such a thing is even possible). Red Establishment loves taking from the middle class and giving to the 1%.

    One thing I do not agree with is allowing the rich to keep "ill- gotten" gains. What I also disagree with is artificially decreasing wage competition - which is at plague proportions in this nation - despite the fact that there are laws on the books that prohibit this practice.
     
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    It was Bush who bailed out the banks. There could be no recovery if people can't borrow. It was Bush who started the bailout of GM and Chrysler in his final weeks in office. Obama just carried on where Bush left off. It was Obama's high corporate taxes and record regulations that made it the slowest recovery in history. and turned a diverse manufacturing economy into over a 90% service and part time economy. In 2013, 77% of all jobs created were part time. Losing over 300,000 manufacturing jobs. He is now trying to take credit for the oil boom, but he was against fossil fuel and held back drilling approval. The oil boom was in spite of his efforts to slow it down. Of course the stock market went up. After the housing fiasco crash, the economy had nowhere to go but up. We were already in the basement. But what kind of economy did Obama create?

    While America was trying to recover from the housing fiasco, the one million shovel ready jobs he said he had if elected, never existed. To top it off, while we were trying to bring back and create jobs, the two biggest Blue states were hiring the Chinese to build their bridges and roads and using Chinese steel to do it. Then try and claim Trump is running on Obama's economy? https://abcnews.go.com/.../us-bridges-roads-built-chinese...

    Yes, Mexico offered jobs and health care to all those people in the caravan and most turned it down. They knew they could get better jobs and welfare in America. This comes from NBC News, not Fox.

    Migrant caravan members reject offer to stay in Mexico - NBC News

    https://www.nbcnews.com/.../migrant-caravan-members-reject-offer-stay-mexico-n92...

    Oct 26, 2018 - Central American migrants turned down a Mexican offer of benefits if they applied ... plan, offering shelter, medical attention, schooling and jobs to Central ... People without Borders is supporting the caravan, accused Mexican

    A hand gun is just as deadly as what you call an assault rifle. One of the worst murders was done by a 9 mil and 22 cal. Why did the police all across the nation switch from revolvers to semi automatics? You can eliminate large magazines, but your not going to eliminate semi automatics. I have a M1 Carbine, but it only holds 8 rounds and the bullet is only 30 cal, about the weakest bullet in WWII and Korea, yet people would call it an assault rifle. It was used to take the place of the hand gun, for longer range for certain troops.

    I give Obama no credit at all. He did lousy creating jobs with his policies. He allowed ISIS to grow from just around 700 people to around 25,000-32,000 terrorist. He let our military to go to hell. The only thing he did right is give the military the OK to attack the house they believed ben Laden was in.
     
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    Those tax cuts and cuts in record breaking regulations that your Party keeps telling you only benefit the rich is what is bringing those good jobs back that Obama and Pelosi said were gone and not coming back. Did you think they magically found it better and decided to spend millions moving plants and jobs back? Yes, tax cuts help everyone not just the rich. If your flipping hamburgers at Jack in the Box for $7.50 an hour and you find out that LG just built a new plant in your town and is paying $18.00 an hour, plus benefits and are able to get one, is that tax cut you got just crumbs from the table? You just jumped out of poverty and off food stamps. A lot of companies are moving back, or expanding because of those tax and regulation cuts.

    A couple of years before the end of Obama's term, a reporter asked the head of Apple Corporation if he had any plans of moving any plants back to America and money they had parked in off shore banks. He said, do you think I'm crazy, with America's high taxes and I'm paying taxes in countries I have plants, hell no. But after Trump cut taxes and regulations, Apple did this.

    Newscentermaine.com | Why Apple is bringing billions back home
    www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/nation-now/...
    A second corporate campus, an additional 20,000 workers and a $350 billion commitment. That's Apple's pledge to the U.S. As the tech giant announced a sweeping set of moves Wednesday to bring back billions of its offshore cash and spur economic growth. The plan also includes paying $38 billion in taxes


    Apple
    Creates 2,000 jobs shifting production back to US ...
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/05/apple-creates...
    Apple creates 2,000 jobs shifting production back to US ... Engineering and construction jobs at a new plant in ... The first Macintosh computer made in America since …

    But what are Democrats talking of doing? raising corporate taxes and putting back on regulations.

     
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    Embrace your jealousy. Let it consume your daily thoughts. Let it drive you to the point of you yourself making the sacrifices and investing in yourself in order to some day, enjoy those things that you begrudge the rich for.

    This is America, and you do not have to be poor forever. But you do have to make it happen.
     
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    More red tape solves what?
     
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    Let me guess, you are a white male
     
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    That depends on your definition of "white".
     
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    Are you followed around in stores because of your color..
     
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    Is profiling and making judgments about individuals based on race inherently wrong or just wrong for individuals you disagree with?
     
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    Wow, so lacking in empathy. I remember my daughter coming home and saying that whenever she’s with her friend who is black, she is followed her around. She was a little girl and didn’t understand. My husband worked for an African-American who owns his own comoany on Wall Street and had a house in the hamptons and drove a bmw, He would tell us how often he was stopped by the cops and had to put his hands over the hood of the car. He would tell them to look in his pocket for his registration.
     
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    No I’m not lacking in empathy. I just happen to have it for people of all colors. I oppose stereotyping in general. That’s why I attempted to get you to see you were stereotyping a forum member while advocating against such practices.
     
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    Forty years of race-baiting, race-carding, "racisss!" hollering where inappropriate, excessive affirmative action, white privilege horseshit and a dozen other aspects of the Complex enriching black grievance industry have drained all the "empathy" right the F out of tens of millions of Americans, self included. That's the new reality, get used to it. All the race-based scams, discriminatory special treatment and hollow complaints have no place in the U.S. in 2019, and the voting public is waking up to that more and more daily.
     
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    Silly me. I just imagined that for hundreds of years that white males had all the privileges. You know, unimportant things like the right to vote, get educated at the best networking universities and get loans etc. I guess it was OK when white males have special discriminatory treatment. How do you suggest leveling the playing field?.
     
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    My white ancestors, male and female, were enslaved in America long before Africans were. Had been enslaved in Europe and the British Isles for hundreds of years prior. Sometimes they enslaved others when they got the chance, just like ALL other civilizations on Earth of ALL races did throughout history.

    My white male ancestors got the right to vote right after the CW, just a few decades before blacks and women. My white male ancestors had the "privilege," right up to my grandfathers' time, of working in dangerous industrial factories that definitely shortened one grandfather's life, unairconditioned 100 degree buildings, so their wives and children could get fed, clothed and housed in relative comfort. One great grandfather was crushed to death by a grain elevator. Guess he never got his "privilege card" in the mail.

    Oh, and none of them had college degrees. One of my grandmothers had some college though. How do I suggest leveling the playing field? Two things, one of which is naturally occurring via the net. 1. Abolish all discriminatory affirmative action yesterday. 2. Show the black grievance industry for the pile of turd that it in fact is. The net is handling this one, and the days of free and easy race-baiting, race-carding and all things racialist are coming to a blessed end.
     
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    Tell me about your enslaved ancestors here. We’re they brought here in chains and sold at auctions? you really want to be a victim don’t you?
    Just because your grandfathers didn’t take it vantage of their opportunities that blacks and women were denied was their decision. They could have cleaned houses like my grandmother’s did.
    I like your suggestion that we should abolish affirmative action. It took over 200 years to abolish white male affirmative-action. Now because of affirmative-action women are more than half the medical schools in law schools in the black middle-class is growing.How come when white males had opportunities that were denied others it wasn’t called race baiting?I guess segregation was OK and that wasn’t that long ago
     
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    They did come in chains in some cases from debtor's prison and as transported convicts. Convicts were not sold at auction, and take a guess as to what % of early American indentures and convicts survived? They dropped like flies on hot plantations due to not much sunshine in Northern Europe. Black slaves, when that practice started, were more valuable than my ancestors, despite their "white privilege."

    And no, I don't want to be a victim, that's the point... no one else should either.

    No it wasn't, a vast majority of the population worked in agriculture. There were few "opportunities for career advancement." You could make more in a factory, but the risks and conditions were often worse. There were a few notable "choices" that men had. The military for one, sometimes voluntarily. Want to go there?


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    No such thing. Pure fiction. Never happened. The error comes from a) focusing only on miniscule upper echelons of society in entertainment and literature that leads to false notions of what things were like for common people; b) factoids out of historical context.

    Arguendo, I'm all for civil rights. Not for discrimination that was never justified though. If you are up for promoting people not on merit, but on skin color or genitalia, that's discrimination, and in recompense for things no one alive today did. "White males" as a group never had any special privileges unless you define "privilege" very strangely.
     
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    Like Democrats don't?
     
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    It’s a waste of time to try and argue with someone who makes the exception the rule. It is a waste of time to try and argue with somebody who doesn’t see slavery and segregation as a race thing. Just because you want to be a victim so badly doesn’t diminish the true victims. You act as though the word should never be used. Were blacks victims of segregation? Yes they were. White people were not legally segregated and therefore were not victims of racism. White people were seen as superior to black people therefore they were not victims

    Women worked in factories also..under the worst condition and paid a lot less than men,

    You don’t even realize your racism and sexism when you believe that affirmative action is promoting people who do not deserve it. You actually believe that there are no qualified women or blacks so they are just given jobs because of the color and Sex. In my workshop cycle this on acknowledged prejudice. I just wonder if you felt this way when I had to give up a seat at Harvard to a less qualified male? Did you see the males who did not have to compete with women as having no meritDid you see the males who did not have to compete with women as having no merit?
    For centuries minorities were excluded from competing. White males set the laws,and that is indeed white privilege
     
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