No deal: Pelosi rejects Trump’s offer to legalize 'Dreamers' for wall money

Five times a candidate has won the popular vote and lost the election. Andrew Jackson in 1824 (to Democratic Republican John Quincy Adams); Samuel Tilden in 1876 (to Republican Rutherford B. Hayes); Grover Cleveland in 1888 (to Republican Benjamin Harrison); Al Gore in 2000 (to Republican George W. Bush); Hillary Clinton in 2016 (to Republican Donald J. Trump).

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I never said they (or I would). Try again

No, you calling people butthurt because they feel their voices are actively ignored even though they are the majority shows your agenda. Even president trump was against the electoral college, would you call him butthurt?

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Nancy went on a planned vacation and could be on the next plane home. Trump needs to open the government and then invite Pelosi to a meeting. Trump should always stay in DC as he promised to do. This is just a political ploy to impress his base, like you.

 

No deal without the wall funding.

I'd be more impressed if he kept the govt shut down for years, laid off those govt employees, and used emergency funding to build the wall.

Then I would be impressed.

 

If this is the case, why isn't Nancy advocating to take down existing segments of the wall?

They are especially prominent in California, her home state. Lots of sympathetic lefty politicians there.

Why don't they tear those monuments to fear down?

 

Gosh oh gee, you are a true patriot. I hope you have a cave to live in when the economy tanks.

 

I get that you believe in hostage taking. Its the first step towards hostage killing which you also support as a tactic. Those who do not like hostage taking or hostage killing as methods of extortion, cannot reward bad faith ploys with good faith negotiations. No deal on the wall unless we are made very very happy on other immigration issues - after the govt reopens. Its your shutdown, not Pelosi's so you fund your own wall. She has already sent McConnells solution back to him.

 

The economy is roaring, I make wise economic decisions, and things will only get better with the wall because illegals are a drain on the economy.

 

Window into the mind of leftists.

How many people have been murdered by illegals?

Both American victims, and other illegals?

Crazy Nancy is holding America's national security hostage for her politics, despite being FOR it in the past.

Let the nation see that the new democrat house won't work with Republicans, but are more interested in shutting down govt and investigating Trump. Im sure moderates and independents will love that and after all, dems have plenty of them to spare, right?

When dems stay home in 2 years, and even more moderates/independents vote Trump, and he wins handily-look back and remember this.

 

You just described the tactics that won us the US House and won the teaparty republicans control before that.. The American people vote for obstruction and investigation and they have been doing so for a decade. I think we will stick to the game plan, thanks.

 

The teaparty was organic. Not manufactured outrage.

Likewise when Republicans decimated dems, they STILL worked with Obama.

As always, the dems have their propaganda arm-the media but its becoming increasingly irrelevant each day.

So come 2020, it will be a pack of frothy obstructionist losers vs a prosperous and secure America.

Good luck.

 

Nope. More lies from US Conservative. We will obstruct, stall, and investigate and then be rewarded with the US Senate and the Presidency and then we will tear down every single vestige that Trump ever won the white house in the first place.

 

You won't be able to hate your way into the White House.

Mark my words.

And you still didn't answer-how many Americans, and even illegals are killed by illegals?

 

Government workers never voted Republican. Labor Unions are the fifth largest donor to the DNC, including Government workers unions. They want to get back to work and are looking to the people they donate big money to, to fix this or why donate to them? This isn't rocket science just common sense.

Why? The vast majority of folks never even notice. To put things in perspective, there are 800,000 furloughed Government workers spread out throughout the country. That is 1/10th the population of New York city alone. Most vote Democrat anyway. Who knows this just may be the catalyst to bounce Pelosi and Schumer and replace them with new Democrats.

 

Keep believing that......and Hillary will win by a landslide

 

This wall extension is almost totally undefined and is being sold on racism and lies concerning drugs and violence.

Dems have been ready to vote for money for the southern border - nobody can suggest they haven't been.

Today, the issue is whether the president can force the legislative branch to do his bidding by shutting down the government - holding the American people hostage and neutering the legislative branch of government.

If our founders had wanted a dictator they would have done something very different.

 

The immigrants contribute millions of dollars to the economy. The economy is going to implode.

 

Walls aren't racist. Expecting people of all colors to follow the law is not racist.

Dems are not interested in securing our borders.

Let them be the party of no, the party of high taxes and low prosperity, and the party of fake news.

Im ok with them demonstrating this for all to see.

Hate is not the path to victory.

 

NAW! Donny Boy still owns it. This is true deal here - Trump is attempting to buy a Permanent wall for himself in "payment" of a Temporary hold of DACA people. Look I just negotiated a lease deal with Ford for one of their gas consuming SUV's. If Ford was trying to Do A Tump they would try to get me to pay the price of a purchase for the privilege of leasing the SUV for 3 years ( 36 months). Think about it !!1 Trump is trying buy His Wall for a temporary stay of execution for DACAlites. Good try Donny but evenly of the Democrats are not that stupid.

HEY I am not some bleeding heart liberal crying for the DACA-LITES. They are illegals not through any fault of their own but I said this before and will say it again. The DACAlites should be given a chance to be permanent residents as long as they have not committed and crimes more than a minor traffic ticket. They should then be allowed to apply for citizenship if they meet ALL of the requirements and of citizenship if they want to. They still should be vetted as I was. Hell I even had to attest to the fact that I was never a member of Hitler youth even thou I was born after the war and NOT german. Criminal activity or lying in the course of naturalization should stop them for citizenship and if serious should earn a trip back HOME as in deportation.

 

Its not imploding, its doing the opposite.

People can feel the difference.

 

The wall is being sold on hate and lies, not on the basis of a valid justification.

Perhaps even more importantly, this president is attempting to defeat our legislature by holding Americans hostage. If our founders wanted a dictator they wouldn't have written anything remotely like the constitution we have.

Your claim that Dems aren't ready to attack illegal methods of immigration is just plain silly.

If Trump cared about limiting illegal immigration he wouldn't be proposing a half assed solution for just one method of coming here. He would care about visas, which is how more than half come to stay.

If he cared about drugs he would know how drugs come here, and attack that.

If he cared about violent crime he would address that - instead of using it to motivate racist hate in order to get his wall.

 

The two key legislative efforts by Obama were the ACA and immigration.

As stated by the Senate Minority Leader McConnell and the Boehner as minority leader in the Housee, Republicans decided to require Rebpublican legislators to vote lock step against the ACA even after they had been allowed full representation and open participation it its design - for ONE reason: To demonstrate that the party stiill had power after their humiliating defeat in the 2007 election.

Then, Boehner prevented the bipartisan immigration bill of 2013 from even coming to a vote in the House (after it had passed the Senate).

Now, we see the Trump years wherein Republicans have blocked Dems from having ANY contributory role in ANY key legislation.

Your comment about Republicans working with Dems is just a BALD FACED LIE to hide the exact opposite.

 

Obama had his pen and his phone.

He passed a number of executive directives/orders that were easily overturned.

 

Democrats are definitely in favor of border security in spite of the right-wing rhetoric. The only question is what kind of border security and that is the fly in the ointment. Democrats and Republicans also want the shutdown ended immediately and a border wall not be the reason for a shutdown. Only the party of Trump stands in the way because they say 'no wall no government'. Your president has a personality disorder along with no conscience and no moral fiber.

 

I don't see them on the border with the border patrol like Trump was. I see them ignoring the border patrol when they call for a wall and more funding. A few months back dems were advocating abolishing ice.

If dems are for border security, lets see it.

All I see is them saying no, and trying to sneak out of DC.

 

Funny how the "WALL" has gone from a big beautiful concrete 30' high wall from sea to sea that mexico was going to pay for it to now "a see thru steel barrier" that adds a couple hundred miles to the existing 700 miles or so of fencing and barriers that trump has shut down the government to force taxpayers to pay for it.

Meanwhile trump continues to pile on the same debunked bullshit because in his world and to his base, facts actually don't matter.