Stone on his indictment: This is about silencing me, criminalizing political expression

Excuse me, but Stone's snakelike behavior dates to the Nixon years. Of course, his past is coming back to haunt him. His relationship with snakes is well documented. What small and honest error? Maybe it wasn't small and honest, yes?

 

Beat me to it by 12 minutes... Small and honest error??? Pu-lease...

 

I agree.

The Butina case is definately related to the Trump collusion case.

Always recall the fact that this all began as a counterintelligence investigation, and it is still, dispite its Constitutional ramnifications, a counterintellgence matter.

The Russians have been running a sustained political influence and cyber war against the United States since at least late 2012.

By 2013, efforts to spread influence via social media were readily apparant, but still largely unknown. My theory is that the Russian social media attacks began in late 2012 or early 2013, in an effort to make Obama look weak on Syria (he was, but he was still in Moscow's way).

The objectives have always been the same. Sow division using the political and media levers in teh US to do it. Divide the public, and in particular promote memes associated with racism and ultra nationalism (themes both well suited to Putin's Russia). Get the wrong people elected and hamstring government, and divide the US against its traditional allies.

The Trump campaign and the Butina case represent two paths to the same end.

Trump involved taking a guy the Russians already owned and knew well, and making sure he was thoroughly compromised and that he knew it (the Trump Tower meeting did that, if the point hand't already gotten across by other, as yet unknown means).

The Butina case involved compromising one of the most powerful influence shops in Washington DC.

Have you noticed how quiet right wing media has been about it?

There hasn't been the usual chorus of whataboutism or protestations of outrage from the noise machine. Indeed, there has almost been dead silence.

(after all, what kind of fool do you have to be to even begin to believe that there is any such thing as a gun rights group in a police state run by a secret policeman?????????)

Apparantly, a lot of fat middle aged Republican operatives must have.

You're not hearing much about this case because it's real close to the Washington bone. It's about following the money.

Already it has been alleged that Butina's fake "gun rights" group may have been involved in funnelling Russians money to a host of Republcian politicians through the NRA.

If this turns out to be true, it will make Jack Abramoff look like a pickpocket. And, if true, it will leave a trail of destruction throughout the GOP.

Which serves the Russian's aim. Butina is doing her job. I think part of her mission is to take the fall, and let all this come out in public at trial.

There are a lot of people out there that might not want to see that happen (assuming my theory is correct).

Just as there are a lot of people that don't want to see Roger Stone go to trial either.

 

Any of the nonsense he was selling. It was all deflation and obfuscation and not under oath in a court law.


Don't know and don't care, because it's of no relevance.

OJ, has no place in this and is used as a false equivalents fallacy. And Alex J. Is a performance artist or some **** like that, anyway to believe his shtick is to believe in gay frogmen taking over the government. And I don't.



Give me a break that's to stupid to even go any further.


So did I.
And neither did I.
Happens every day in this country. Sometimes innocent kids get shot by swat members. He should be glad nothing went wrong.


It's a process.

 

I'm going to want more info and documents, more than your or his word. Let him speak under oath. He is a known liar. And you usually lean pretty on that. Why not now?

 

Connecting dots? Yeah, no way that can go wrong. I don't see government as good or bad only necessary.
It's people like you who see a boogy man in every bush that fits their preconceived opinions .

 

It's not hard to see that the government bureaucracy acts in its own interest and according to it's own ideology.

It would be strange if the bureaucracy did not act to defend its own self-interests.

 

That much we can agree on.

 

Stone on his indictment: This is about silencing me, criminalizing political expression

Nonsense. They would rather he continue his diarrhea of the mouth.

 

Actually, it proves no such thing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/30/...-investigation-began-george-papadopoulos.html

Trump and Stone already knew, as almost certainly, did Manafort and Robert Mercer.

 

Donald Trump had fully intended to retire from the White House and into his renewed role as tabloid celebrity and supercharged Alex Jones.

This seems to be somewhat less of a marketable proposition these days.......

 

What amazed me in the indictment is it clears Stone from working for Trump at the time in question.
The "dirty documents get ignored as if they were pure of heart to attack Stone. Imagine he had truly done something wrong. What would a truly criminal charge have looked like?

Why are no charges levied against the Clinton campaign?

 

Yeah, you could say that. I'm not one who buys the deep state mentality and conspiracy theories are usually good for fun when drinking, but not often true. And Trump tends to rely on them, and the stupidity of his supporters way to much.

 

What the indictment claims is that Stone chatted with a person who knew things held a secret by the Hillary people. And apparently Stone mentioned this to some aligned with the Trump team.

Stone is said to tell a story not true. Stone says he told the truth.

Mueller was asked about Russia. Stone was not involved at all with them.

 

One would think the public would tire of the nonsense when Hillary made such a long term out of her conspiracy concepts. She never got to first base proving them.

Deep state today stands for hired workers able to stay working for government who decided never to help Trump ever.

 

I know nothing of Hillary Clinton's conspiracy theories . But my opinion is not dependent upon Hillary.
Trump floats alot of allegations and conspiracy theories without supplying anything to back them up. And you seem fine?
After 8 years of make him fail and years of calling Obama a liar over the comment about keeping your doctor. Your side seems very comfortable with accepting the lies from the anointed orange Goblin himself. And the audacity required to expect the other side to fall in line with your lead after you spent 8 years actively fighting against their duly elected president, is a bridge to far. Your side spent 8 long years hating on America and now it's coming back to you.

 

What an absolute joke of the world's Law Enforcement the FBI has become. Look, they send in a swat team with rifles and tac vests to take down a 66 year old man. They send this kind of manpower to take down drug dealers. They could have called Stones attorney and tell him for Stone to turn himself in at 9 AM and he would have done it. Somehow CNN was right there to capture the excessive force on video. Looks to me like the Clintonista's in the DOJ are still thick as bugs on a big rigs bumper.

 

So, were you OK with Obama's Politifacts "Lie of the Year"? If not show us your posts against it.

 

We don't know what Mueller has that he hasn't shared.

 

Isn't that what Fusion GPS did with the Steele Dossier? They called colluding with a foreign agent....opposition research. The most comical part is if Russia colluded with Trump, Stone wouldn't have had to try to get the Hillary eMails from Assange. The Russian would have simply handed them over to Trump.

 

No, but there is a hard core reactionary right in the US that DOES believe these things, and always have.

Stories about secret cabals who run the world behind closed doors have been around for decades. It's a powerful myth for its adherants. Whether it's the "deep state" the Bilderbergs, the TriLateral Commission, the Masons or the international Jewish Conspiracy, or the Catholic Church, myths about the unseen all knowing and all powerful have been floating around the hard core parochial right wing for 100 years. They just freshen it up every few years.

And folks like Alex Jones and Jerome Corsi have made themselves wealthy by getting the suckers who believe this nonsense to throw money at them.

If they can do it, Trump will be a natural.

 

There is no evidence of direct collusion whatsoever. Not even the evidence of any sort of direct contact of any kind between the Russians and the Clinton campaign.

A claim that the Trump campaign made too. But they were lying, from the President on down.

 

I never commented on it one way or another. But I will just for you.
I've been saving this one. He wasn't lying because he made the comment before he could have known what would devlop. I went ahead and paraphrased the narrative used by the right over the read my lips no new taxes. You understand what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I'm sure your excepting of that?

 

So Mueller is a big waste of money.

Please use your crystal ball to fetch me the California Lottery numbers, I'll send ya a dollar.

 

As long as we're applying "what's good for the goose is good for the gander", then Trump shouldn't be held to Mexico paying for the Wall because "He wasn't lying because he made the comment before he could have known what would develop."

Is that correct?