F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I find it amazing that at this stage when much of the scope of the russian operation is known trumpettes continue in this fog of ignorance spouting the stupidity that all the russians did was buy a few face book ads.

    Yet another example of how the stupid, the ignorant and partisan entrenched aren't interested in facts, just their bumpersticker based feelings. Granted its a universal phenomenon.
     
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    You have to love the right wings amnesia!......Say this all together, " White Water"......what fools
     
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    That was 40 years ago.
     

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    They didn't do that, my strangely forgetful chum.
     
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    Actually he is only building a case on intimidation hoping to find something on Trump.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gee you mean a prosecutor is "intimidating" witnesses into telling the truth or get indicted for lying? Yeah, those sneaky, dirty prosecutors. Getting tough and all with liars and perps. What is the world coming to?

    You are aware that the justices system is an adversarial one, aren't you?
     
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    This is a typical Weissmann tactic that, after indictment and conviction, has been overturned before but not until after he ruined people. You put enough pressure on people and they may sing but they may also compose. So far ALL of the indictments are for things not associated to the campaign or process crimes, crimes created by the investigation. For instance, Stone is accused of lying to Congress because he did not turn over an unused phone that actually had exculpatory evidence on it. Stone has been under investigation for two years and they already know what they need to know but nothing is prosecutable so they have to create a situation where someone forgets about something and it turns into a charge of lying.

    This investigation is worthy of Stalin's Russia.
     
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    Conspiracy to share polling data? Is that a crime? Especially since his intent was that the Russian share the data with a couple Ukrainians who owed him money.
     
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    I think you're living in the wrong country. :)
     
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    So, you think that Manafort gave the valuable demographic data to a hostile foreign power for them to use it to help Bonespurs get elected in return for his debt to be considered paid?

    That’s a pretty good theory.

    And that is a crime.
     
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    And it seems you are. What 'sensitive polling data'' are you referring to, and what was the topic? How does this polling data compare with others, apart from being more 'sensitive'?
    What details?
    It's not a matter of what I know , it's a matter of what you think you know.
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/russia-scandal-is-real-involves-hillary-clinton/

    It seems to be your sincerely held understanding that the Russians never gave the Clinton's anything. Is this true?

    How about Switzerland's largest bank donating hundreds of thousands to the Clinton Foundation, or the Crown Prince of Bahrain giving them $35 million?

    Do you feel the Russians, Algerians, Chinese, etc. will continue to give the Clinton Foundation this kind of money now that she's no longer in Government??
     
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    What was 'valuable' about this data? Do you know what it was or is it still a secret? What is in this 'valuable demographic data' that isn't available to the American citizen?
     
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    Is justice 'adversarial' where you live? That must really stack the deck in the government's favor.
     
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    "obstruct asstroturf movement?" Is that your own term? Google knows nothing about it!
     
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    That's another way of saying "Go on an all expenses paid Witch Hunt and take your time about it".
     
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    No actually it goes back to Nixon and Reagan, but you knew that......Play the oh I forget card.....Carry on and pick and choose your outrage!
     
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    Its an adversarial process EVERYWHERE justice is administered. There's a reason the accused mounts a DEFENSE, while the prosecutor is on OFFENSE.

    Not sure if your question is actually an indication of the depth of understanding of your legal system or is simply a throwaway response without much thought involved.
     
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    True, the only stuff I know is what is publicly available.

    And an editorial is not a news report. Its an opinion. Why hasn't trump's DOJ pursued it?


    Yes, I believe the russians didn't give Clinton Squat.

    The clinton foundation is global charity with audited books. Total income last year was $250 million or so, down about 30% from a few years ago.

    Unlike the trump foundation, the Clinton foundation is a real charity doing significant works around the world.

    BTW, Hillary hasn't been in government for over 6 years.
     
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    Now that is a very fine whine.
     
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    Thank G*d for small favors :applause:
     
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    That doesn't make 'adversarial'. It is intended for the truth to emerge. That's why, in all civilized democracies, a lawyer is supplied if the defendent can't afford one. If it were truly 'adversarial' that wouldn't happen. But it's a minor point, I agree. .
     
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    And it cuts to the truth.
     
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    Because it's never really been Trump's DOJ. Sessions was an absolute failure, and no one erected that.
    The Russians never gave the Clinton's anything at all? OK, if that's what you believe then so be it. Can't argue with beliefs.
    I susppect it will drop a great deal further as her influence in government decreases. Of course if she is elected President then the donations will again be outstanding.
    Yeah, sure. Again, you have your beliefs.
    She was the choice of the Democrats just two years ago and remains a favorite.
     
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    They’ve sure caught a lot of witches.
     
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    Yet nothing to do with Russians other than charging some Russians they thought would never show in court.
     

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