F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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  1. 61falcon

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    The source of funding for how Dirty Donald acquired his ownership of Scottish golf courses is now being investigated, as the source is suspected to be RUSSIA??
     
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    Not a crime doncha know.
     
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    The polling data was for the Ukranians, not the Russians.
     
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    The entire contents of the Russian Dossier.
     
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    LOL!
     
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    Ah no she didn't get it from the russians. I seems you are entirely ignorant of the source of the dossier. The fact that Steele just happened to have spent his intell career as a russian intell/crime analyst is why he was contracted to deliver whatever he could glean from his myriad sources.

    That isn't at all the same thing as meeting with russians to hopefully obtain dirt, nor with sharing data with them.

    But since nuance and irony are extinct species in trumpland, I am not at all surprised you'd feel comfortable with such a ludicrous false equivalency.
     
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    ?????? No, it was a handful of exclusively Russian sources. Would seem you are the one entirely ignorant.
     
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    How in the Hell is it magically the "same thing" as meeting with Russian governmental officials to "get dirt" on Hillary Clinton--seemingly in return for listening to their pitch to eliminate the Magnitsky Act?

    Steele is not a Russian, nor did he work for the Russian government. He simply had contacts in Russia because he worked for MI6 in Russia.

    Are you really contending that Steele's contacts are the same is meeting directly with Russians? What about Manafort's ties to Russia?
     
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    That's a flat out lie.
    AND The Hillary Campaign and then Obama Administration LIED to the FISA Court by claiming the unverified claim was verified and CONCEALED that the claim was a DNC and Hillary Campaign product. They lied and concealed this information from the Court because had they told the truth and revealed it, their request to spy on a rival political campaign (and that phrase should chill you to the bone) would have been refused.
     
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    Imagine a highly respected Russian intell/mob expert would exploit his russian sources to gather information about russian activities.

    Its mind boggling in how obviously biased the report and the reporter were.

    Gee you think maybe an intell gathering operation about russian covert activities would focus on Nigerian sources?
     
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    They weren't government officials. It was one attorney with tenuous links to government officials. An attorney who met the day before the meeting and the day after the meeting with the Founder of Fusion GPS who at the time was working for Hillary. And Its not the same because in the case of Trump, they received no dirt on Hillary from the Russians. In Hillarys case they did.
     
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    LOLOL! Just a moment ago you were arguing they

    And now you admit they got it from the Russians and you argue so what.
     
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    I’ll reply to the above pile o’crapola when I’ve got more than a phone to use.
     
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    I see you are having trouble with language. Clinton didn't hire russians. didn't meet with russians with expectations of direct benefit. Clinton hired a firm to COMPLETE an investigation started by republicans that focussed on Trump's russian ties. That firm HIRED a person with extensive domain expertise (something that apparently isn't necessary with many of trump's people) and a proven track record in intell gathering and analysis.

    Like I said, you expect to get such intell (not facts, not evidence, intell some actionable and some out to lunch) on russians from Nigeria. What a pathetic attempt.
     
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    And you think this is completely ethical because?
     
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    ????? Trump didn't hire or meet Russians either so not sure of your point and the fact that Hillary hires a law firm who hires Fusion GPS to meet the Russians, as opposed to meeting with them directly makes little difference
     
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    Yes its ethical, because it was a legally offered contracted service. I see you have a problem with uncomfortable outcomes.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You were the one claiming Clinton hired russians,not me. Did you forget?
    And I never claimed trump hired russians.

    Keep swingin'. You might get lucky and flub a hit.
     
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    Everyone has problems with uncomfortable outcomes, that is why they are uncomfortable. (Duh!)

    But I haven't seen any accusation of illegality. Certainly no indictments of US citizens.

    In any case, something need not be illegal to be unethical. Does the mere fact of a cutout between Clinton and Russian spooks render the use of such information "ethical?"
     
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    I totally agree that something doesn't have to be illegal to be unethical. Now apply that to Trump and his mob's actions before, during and after the campaign. Seems you are caught in the roundabout.
     
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    How do you figure that? Hillary is the one who hired shady characters in an attempt to assassinate Trumps character.
     
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    He doesn't have much character to assassinate. Or haven't you noticed?

    Besides he does a great job of it on his own by just being himself. No help required.
     
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    So if Don Jr. had given a business acquaintance $25 to go over and meet with the dubious Russian lawyer instead of going himself and instead of getting stiffed his associate came back with a whole binder full of salacious, unverified **** on Hillary Clinton you'd be just fine with that setup instead? And to top it off they turned it over to the FBI so the FBI could use it as an "intelligence document" to justify spying on the Clinton campaign.

    You left wingers are so smart. Can't get anything past your brilliance. Lulz.
     
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    I’ll reply to the above pile o’crap when I’ve got more than a phone to use.
    It has become a RW trait to be incapable of drawing analogies and understanding huge qualitative distinctions between fact scenarios.

    Do you really think that Do, Jr., Manafort and Kushner meeting directly with Russian governmental representatives to obtain diret on Hillary Clinton in return for their pitch on eliminating the Magnitsky Act s magically the same as hiring a legitimate business firm to perform opposition research on Bonespurs J. Bumblebrain?
     

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