Sinking US aircraft carriers will resolve tension in South China Sea, says Chinese admiral

So you support increasing taxes on Americans while having the government pick winners and losers in the US economy?

Typical tax and spend liberal.

 

We raised taxes on Americans during WWII

America can survive without cheap junk from china

 

America during WW2 was led by a “socialist”. So does that mean that you are just another socialist liberal looking to make the government bigger and tax Americans more?

 

Professor Peabody is on to something here

Without the US the euros could not invade anyone and could be no threat to the russians

But they could not defend themselves from russia either

 

Mac, in order for the Russians to get one of their only aircraft carriers to Syria....it had to be towed there.

 

FDR was a progressive like his cousin Teddy

He definately made government bigger

But those were deperste times for the nation

I have met countless numbers of people who grew up during the Depression and many were on Relief as they called it then

What I never met was anyone who was still on welfare 50 years later or that was not a little embarrassed by the experience

They were not lazy welfare bums like we have today

 

The situation is far more complicated than you make it out to be.

 

But Rightists in this thread keep saying snowflakes cut and run from wars.

How big a snowflake do you have to be to cut and run after 5 casualties?

 

The sanctions would be meaningless with US support.

 

Really? Because the US is the only country that trades with Israel?

 

We don't have 18 carrier battle groups we have 11 or 12 only about 1/2 to 2/3 of which are at sea at any given time. We have not had a trillion dollar military budget in20 years.

 

I would do this the use of any weapon that sinks one or more carrier we respond with nuclear strikes on their major economic provinces with a large number of low yield tactical nukes they take a carrier they lose their economic heart as we move to a war footing. I'm sure they would think twice. Not saying we should but Trump saying it would be plausible he is nuts enough to go there.

 

No because if we ignore it every one else that matters will do likewise. And a UN minus the US will be seen as a joke by the majority of the countries in the world. That's just a fact.

 

Really? The US had sanctions on Cuba for DEA Da and most of the world ignored them. Where is your evidence that they mindless follow the leader on our unilateral trade policies?

 

The US actually has 19 carriers - at least according to Google. Compare to the Russians who have one 1.

You have no clue what Total Military Spending is so quit pretending otherwise.

 

We actually have more than that but most of them are in mothballs and some of them are relics left over From WWII. Don't confuse amphibious Transport ships with True carriers the roles are very different. As is the aircraft capacity. As for the American Military budget I can only go by what is listed in the Offical US budget. I you want to add in CIA, FBI, and all the spook oufits plus the coast guard and everything else in the homeland security budget be my gust but I consider that a bit disingenuous like the clowns that include the Marine detachments at US embassies around the world as military forces on foreign countries.

 

It is not disingenuous in the slightest. Military spending - as in "Spending on or in relation to the Military" is part of Total Military Spending.

Defense spending is only a part of Total Military Spending. VA spending has to be included.. War spending needs to be included as well as defense of the Homeland = Homeland Security.

Military related dark budget stuff has to be included. When you have the CIA running around procuring arms for terror groups such as Al Qaeda - and funneling money through various channels to hide their tracks .. that is part of Military spending. It is disingenuous not to include it.

Our intelligence agencies budget - including "Dark loot" is 130 Billion dollars/year. The is double the entire federal spend of Mexico - a nation that is 11th in the world in terms of purchasing power. That is double the entire Russian Military spend for 2015. Just on our intelligence agencies.

I did not include spending on the "Coast Guard" - and I did not include the portion of interest (which should be included). 1 Trillion/year is low balling it.

 

I disagree but that is neither here nor there. Fact of the matter is the entire department of Homeland security is only another 40 to fifty billion. So you've got about another 250 billion to go and DVA isn't even close.

 

They don't that is the point. So the UN will be routinely ignored if it suits the needs of any individual country. The UN has no way to enforce it's 'sanctions' and no authority beyond that carried by it's signatories to do so.

 

Yes ... American ingratitude and make a run for it, as soon as something does not work as you want is well-known worldwide!
You founded NATO and you wanted to keep it after the Cold War, and you, for example, contracted my country to remain a member after reunification.
Your idiot in power insults the Europeans without any justification because they do not meet the 2%, although every NATO member has to contractually fulfill that 2% by 2024 (we have 2019!) ... and the same idiot tells the Americans that that costs the US taxpayer money, even though that's a total lie!
You have largely withdrawn from Europe with the military and given tasks for which you also have special rights, simply to the Europeans ... and you use your bases in Europe far more for your worldwide interests that have nothing to do with NATO because you need these bases for that ... which incidentally, though only used by you, are also paid by the Europeans!
And then the Europeans are scolded by people like you because they are so outrageous as to have their own interests and want not subordinate them to your will? Tell me ... otherwise you have no mental problems, eh?

Well ... and who founded the UN immediately and wanted to have it? The USA!
But as with NATO and many other things ... when such an institution that you once gave birth can no longer be misused by you as a tool for your own interests and so being so outrageous to have a different opinion and to say no to you ... then get away with it.

And then you're wondering why more and more people and countries hate the US in the world ... and worse, why the US is no longer taken seriously, being rated to be a trustful partner and give a damn about the American will ... in short, the rest of the world behaves to you the same way as just you behave all too often to the rest of the world? Seriously?

We have no shut down because we waste tax income so much, that we spend so much more as we have income like you. And we also have no intention and need to have throughout the world military bases which cost a lot of US tax money!
The primary task of our military is to defend the country and the community with which we are allied ... not to play the world policeman, who only wants this role out of self-interest and is all too often the warmonger!
And your military has as primary task what again?

Yes, we can do it ourselves ... we do it too, if not good enough, but if that lie of US protection was finally put aside, then the will to do it better and better quickly is there!

Oh yes ... and if we Germans then actually start to put between 4 and 5% of GDP in the military and upgrade it heavy etc. like you do ... then of course we are again the bad and evil Germans who upgrade their military and all the idiotic comparisons to Hitler's time and his upgrading of the military will come as usual, eh?

 

And before?
Who supported a bloody regime and cared a crap about for the countless murders and crimes of the regime because it was only important that these bloody bastards fight against evil communists?

And since you come with the Paris Agreement ... even Kissinger knew it was not worth the paper it was written on. But that did not really matter to the US and the Nixon / Ford government ... just because they wanted to get out of mad-house Vietnam. And seriously ... even when North Vietnam allegedly or indeed broke the deal (worth discussing who broke first here) ... why did not the US land with man and mouse back in Da Nang then?

 

Neither side gave a damn about the people in that insane war, acting like the communists were any damn better is frankly pointless and stupid. They weren't. As I've said many times before the great failure of the Cold War was that the West never found some place to land between the murdering authoritarian bastards on the left and the murdering authoritarian bastards supposedly on the right. Neither gave a damn about anything other than political power least of all the people. Nixon spent his entire presidency trying to find a way out of Vietnam and finally thought he had one, Ford read the political tea leaves and decided going back in would accomplish little to nothing. He was probably right though we will never know for sure.

You want a president to blame for that mess look no further than the Racist LBJ who sent 600k US troops in to Vietnam largely on the premise that any one Texan could whip ten gooks, his thoughts not mine.

 

Dude - you either didn't read my post or you didn't read my post.

VA spending is near 200 Billion. https://www.google.ca/search?source...1j0j0i10j33i22i29i30j33i10j33i160.fjBtonZBoeU

The budget for our intelligence agencies (2017) totaled 73 Billion https://fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/R44381.pdf

The so called "Black Budget" = 53 Billion http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/black-budget/

Add to 700 Billion of DoD spending and we are already over a Trillion and I missed things.

Foreign Policy/Aid (economic aid and "Military Assistance") = 63 Billion You would have to break out the "military portion" but generally analysts include the entire amount in "Total Military Spending".

There is more stuff when you dig into the details but we are already well over 1 Trillion

 

War mongers? Coming from a country who started 2 world wars in less than 50 years, your opinions are dismissed.

 

To be fair, they started only the second one. The first one was started by the Austro-Hungarian empire attacking the Serbs who then asked Russia to defend them. Germany was then treaty bound to come to the defense of the austrian.