Tennessee bills would allow adoption agencies to deny LGBT couples

Should an adoption agency be able to force their values, religious or otherwise, on children that are just looking for homes? To the people saying yes, would your answer change if they required extremist Muslim teachings? Each home should be evaluated to the benifit of the child — not forced or denied based on belief of the supernatural.

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public schools force their liberal values and beliefs on our children and if we don't want or children to be indoctrinated with those values and beliefs there are other options like private or home school
just like LGBT have other options to adopted other then those agencies that believe same sex married couples aren't in the best interest of children

the best benefit of a child is a mother and a father not two mothers not two fathers but one of each

here are summary of a recent study that says just that

Sullins, D. P. (2015). Emotional problems among children with same-sex parents: difference by definition. British Journal of Education, Society and Behavioural Science, (forthcoming).
Aims: To test whether small non-random sample findings that children with same-sex parents suffer no disadvantage in emotional well-being can be replicated in a large population sample; and examine the correlates of any differences discovered. Methodology: Using a representative sample of 207,007 children, including 512 with same-sex parents, from the U.S. National Health Interview Survey, prevalence in the two groups was compared for twelve measures of emotional problems, developmental problems, and affiliated service and treatment usage, with controls for age, sex, and race of child and parent education and income. Instruments included the Strengths and Difficulties Questionnaire (SDQ) and the Kessler Scale of Psychological Distress (SPD). Bivariate logistic regression models tested the effect of parent psychological distress, family instability, child peer stigmatization and biological parentage, both overall and by opposite- sex family structure.
Results: Emotional problems were over twice as prevalent (minimum risk ratio (RR) 2.4, 95% confidence interval (CI) 1.7-3.0) for children with same-sex parents than for children with opposite-sex parents. Risk was elevated in the presence of parent psychological distress (RR 2.7, CI 1.8-4.3, p (t) < .001), moderated by family instability (RR 1.3, CI 1.2- 1.4) and unaffected by stigmatization (RR 2.4, CI 1.4-4.2), though these all had significant direct effects on emotional problems. However, biological parentage nullified risk alone and in combination with any iteration of factors. Joint biological parents are associated with the lowest rate of child emotional problems by a factor of 4 relative to same-sex parents, accounting for the bulk of the overall same-sex/opposite-sex difference.
Conclusion: Joint biological parentage, the modal condition for opposite-sex parents but not possible for same-sex parents, sharply differentiates between the two groups on child emotional problem outcomes. The two groups are different by definition. Intact opposite- sex marriage ensures children of the persistent presence of their joint biological parents; same-sex marriage ensures the opposite. However, further work is needed to determine the mechanisms involved.

and lastly you are complaining about those adoption agencies forcing their values and beliefs but isn't the opposite true those LGBT are forcing the values and beliefs on those adoption agencies by forcing them to go against their values and beliefs
as a matter of fact aren't LGBTs guilty of doing that in all of society

 

I see no issue with this....you cant be anti abortion and then limit adoption options..that math does not work

 

One of the bills, HB0836 filed by Rep. Tim Rudd, states that it "prohibits a private licensed child-placing agency from being required to perform, assist, consent to, refer, or participate in any child placement...that would violate the agency's written religious or moral convictions."

Choices.

Who could be against that?

 

Found this on something called adoption.org

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Eligibility

In order to adopt in the state of Tennessee, you must be at least 18 years old. If you are single, married, divorced, widowed, or members of the LGBT community (single or married), you are welcome to adopt.
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I personally think this new bill sucks, simply because I don't believe public service agencies should have "written religious or moral convictions." I'll leave it at that... I'm sure the argument will eventually center around the phrase "private licensed", but to me, it's hypocritical to put more possible restrictions on adoption when that is one of the primary counter arguments to abortion.

 

I'd say this. The adoption agency isn't a state entity. If they aren't taking state dollars why should the state be able to force their agnosticism on them? Yup. There are lots of homes where kids are abused who happen to be deeply religious. And to a case, the SCOTUS has recognized their ability to be as bat shyte as they want to be. I also believe that GL homes can be loving and stable and can be effective homes for kids to grow up in. If I was in the market for adoption options, I simply wouldn't use those religious outlets. Just like I wouldn't shop at Sears.. or JC Penny's. It can be a real choice. I suppose if religious adoption services find they aren't competitive, they will modify their services.

I also seriously doubt that the TN legislature will enact this law.

 

Tennessee schools do that? That’s odd, I don’t remember anything liberal being taught when I went to school there. There are not other options for LGBT adoption throughout much of the south as the religious adoption agencies have cornered the market — and they are taking taxpayer monies and then denying some of those taxpayers services.

That is opinion and not backed by medical evidence. Futhermore, verses the articles I posted do you believe the children fared better with the heterosexual parents?

A study done by a Catholic university professor... ignoring the absolute bias and methodology flaws for every study showing what you posted I can cite five that assert the opposite. It is more about the stability of the home than any other issue.

Not allowing entire groups of taxpayers to adopt although similarly situated to their peers is the same in your mind as gay people being asked not to be harassed and to be treated like every other taxpayer? That’s a stretch...

When one groups “values” is that another group shouldn’t exist the first group is the problem.

 

Its a private agency they should be able to handle the adoption cases THEY CHOOSE to handle for whatever reasons THEY CHOOSE.

 

In many states religious adoption agencies are the only option for hundreds of miles — and they do receive taxpayer funds to operate.

 

So you are fine with taxpayer subsidized entities forcing religious principles on children.

Interesting stance.

I bet Muslim groups are salivating over the road y’all are paving for them.

 

Hmmm... So, your only response is... but...? Why not address the comment instead? You said, in many states, but this is TN where TN doesn't actually support them. So why infer it? Second, the "only option for hundreds of miles".. doesn't seem onerous to me given the likelihood that GL couples have used foreign adoption options for decades, have they not? So given the affluence in the community, why assert that this, then, is a hardship? Are you so offended that you'd further abuse the kids in the care of agencies by withholding SSI or other monies in the support of them and shift that burden back to the charities that supply this vital service? That doesn't seem to be in the interests of the child, does it?

 

The agencies are licensed, the Govt has concluded they can safely make choices...allow them too

 

haven't there already been 'single parent' adoptions... as long as the adoptees have a 'clean' record and the financial means, there's no need to get into lifestyle choices...

 

I haven't read they are taxpayer subsidized. And if a Muslim agency only wants to work with Muslim couples OK.

 

Yes they should be denied.

Now show me a conservative, Christian gay couple and I will rethink my answer.

I will wait.

 

You got it backwards, it would be the gay couple trying to impose their beliefs on the private agency trying to force THEM to do something against their values religious or otherwise and any child they might find for them. What if the mother of the child stipulated she wanted the child placed with mother AND a father. Not two mothers, not two fathers, not one mother, not one father AND of a particular religious belief?

 

So you are fine with taxpayer subsidized entities forcing liberal principles on children.

 

Here is the problem with your study. You study wishes to compare "biological" parents to not biological parents.

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What this study...nor any other legitimate study will show is the percentage of children in the adoption process who come to the process with already higher elevated emotional problems and how a traditional opposite-sex married couple is any better for that child than a SSMC would.

Lets remember that the opposite-sex adoptive couple have as much possibility of adopting a child who came to the system will all sorts of emotional problems most likely caused by the child's biological ...opposite-sex birth parents.

 

That is if they do not accept any public funding.

A truly private institution does not need any law for that protection...it is a constitutional right. Freedom of Association.

The problem now days is that private institutions are accepting federal and other money which is seen as a loss of that private classification.

 

I have not read that is the case here, what federal funding are they getting?

 

The bill in question would apply to all adoption agencies that claim religious belief, including ones that receive state funds or grants.

Taxpayers are being forced to fund a service they are barred from using.

 

https://www.nacac.org/help/adoption...ograms/tennessee-adoption-assistance-program/

Children can qualify for federal adoption assistance or state assistance, depending on the child’s history.

 

Show me a real Christian and I will rethink my position

 

I am not sure biological parents should have their wishes respected — they are after all throwing their child into state custody or it is being removed from them.

Would you be advocating if the bio parents demanded an alien worshiping cult? Oh wait, you have already said you are in agreement — carry on.

It’s strange how y’all justify gay people are “forcing” their self by simply existing.

Gay people wanting legal marriage = assault on religious values
Gay people wanting consensual relationships = assault on religious values
Gay people wanting anti-bullying programs = assault on religious values
People not wanting federally funded religious monuments = assault on religious values

Yeh, gay people are definitely the aggressor /s

 

You will have to list a specific example

Liberal or conservative principals are subjective depending on the individual