Isn't declaring a national emergency the same as declaring martial law?

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  1. Hoosier8

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    Translation: He won in a landslide.
     
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    Who needs Constitution, or Congress when you can just declare emergency and go around the Constitution.
     
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    Declaring state of emergency during hurricanes is one thing, but declaring national emergency just to grab money for a pet project is just plain corrupt.
     
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    That's hilarious.
     
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    How did Obama get the $4B to pay off Iran ??
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    He didn't. The funds were Iranian money.
     
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    And what was the context of that person's statement ??

    The joke is that you (or the news organization) haven't bothered to report the height of the fence. And again you only have one example.
     
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    That's hilarious.
     
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    Note that the southern border is controlled by organized crime and includes terrorism concerns and foreign entities.
     
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    Really? So the Border Patrol guys at legal crossing points are actually organized crime members?
     
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    Maybe the next Dem president will declare national emergency to fund universal health care.
     
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    Obama declared 13 national emergencies - did his Nazi tactic scare the hell out of you?
     
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    How many national emergency declarations have been overturned by the courts?
    On what basis?
     
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    You have a weird sense of humor. What I said is factually true. The amount you mentioned was 10 times more than the actual amount, but the fact remains that it was Iranians own money.

    Trump is grabbing taxpayer money, after lying about Mexico paying for the wall.
     
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    I don't see the answer to the question?

    You want some more examples:
    TUCSON, Ariz. – A Douglas Police Department officer working within Operation Stonegarden seized more than 140 pounds of marijuana launched over the International Boundary Fence near Douglas on Monday afternoon. July 2017

    TUCSON, Ariz. – Douglas Station Border Patrol agents recently seized two bundles of marijuana catapulted across the border from Mexico. February 2017

    Tucson, Ariz. - Border Patrol agents and members of the National Guard coordinated with Mexican authorities to prevent a drug smuggling attempt Friday evening near Naco, Ariz. Mexican officials responded and seized approximately 45 pounds of marijuana, a sport utility vehicle, and a catapult capable of launching contraband into the U.S. January 2011

    TUCSON, Ariz. – Douglas Station Border Patrol agents seized a bundle of marijuana weighing more than 96 pounds after seeing an object fly over the border fence Wednesday evening. Aug 2017

    Oh, and with the design that Trump proposed they could just pass the drugs through the metal bars of the fence
     
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    No, not specifically. It is not "the same".
    It's that martial law is one of the things a president is allowed to do UNDER a wide blanket of emergency powers. Just the declaration of the emergency in and of itself is not martial law, because martial law is martial law.
    If you have declared an emergency, then declaring martial law is suddenly possible if you wish to do that, too.
    I hope I made sense with the answer. ;)
     
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    What emergency did Obama declare because Congress *wouldn’t* fund something he wanted as opposed to declaring an emergency supported by Congress as a means of quick action?
     
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    The only reason to declare a national emergency is to apply funds without Congressional approval.
     
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    Negative. The reason to use a national emergency is to apply funds without the time consuming bureaucracy of Congressional procedure.

    Congress supported Obama’s national emergencies. In none of the cases where states of emergency were declared was it because Congress refused to fund the things those national emergencies were used for.
     
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    This is Trump's 4th, but the 1st which is designed solely to circumvent the Congress and Constitution, after Congress specifically denied the funds.
     
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    Doesn't matter. Just because democrats turned 180 on border security does not mean they are protecting Americans and this is just about the only NE that actually protects our own borders instead of other countries.
     
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    It most certainly matters and it’s exactly why the courts will absolutely overturn a state of emergency if Trump calls one.
     
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    So you think the courts will ignore the law?
     

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