States sue Trump in showdown over border wall funds

Trump has lied, scammed, defrauded, stolen, cheated and has done anything possible to enrich himself and further his cheesy brand. When someone shows you who they are...believe them and Trump's dirty history speaks for itself and reveals what a sociopathic charlatan he is always has been and always will be. The country can do so much better than this. This waste of time, energy and funds is truly despicable.

 

Yet with roars of approval the Democrats voted for the 2006 law to shut down the border. Obama built hundreds of miles of border walls. Trump has the right to do what the law of 2006 wants done.

Trump has also built a lot of wall in his past 2 years. I wish Democrats favored blacks the way they favor the Mexicans who are here illegally.

 

Yes. Open Borders Democrats really take Blacks for granted.

 

They'll lose in the SCOTUS.

 

LOL! The American people want the border secured. Good move dems....see you in 2020.

 

We the People have wasted more of our taxpayer dollars on the BLOTUS than any other POTUS in my lifetime.

I have no doubt whatsoever that he going down in the history books as the very worst of the worst and he will remain there for as long as this nation exists.

 

On what legal basis?

The Constitution only gives the power of spending to Congress and the Emergency Powers can be declared to be unconstitutional when it comes to spending since it erroneously gives that power over to the Executive Branch instead.

 

True... However, I'm waiting for The Joint Resolution in Congress to get going.... I want to see the following...

1. The Senate approve it on a simple majority
2. Trump Veto it
3. The final votes on overriding the veto... Who stands with the Constitution and who stands with violating the Constitution??... Avoiding the stacked SCOTUS is the best way for America to proceed here...

 

On the basis of the Emergency Powers Act allowing the President to use allocated funds.
It's been law since 1982
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/2808

 

Not disagreeing with what is currently on the books that has NEVER been challenged up to this point in time because it was done with the EXPECTATION that the president would never ABUSE said power in order to CIRCUMVENT the Constitutional authority of Congress.

However now that is happening the SCOTUS can rule that as unconstitutional on either a broad or a narrow basis. My assumptions is that they will rule narrowly that the power EXCLUDES the ability to use the funds in order to circumvent Congress.

 

No they didn't. That's a lie, as usual.

He did so with Congressional approval.

Trump is abusing the power of the office to rally his base. Nothing more.

If he ever intended to build a wall, he would have taken the 25 billion the Dems offered, which he refused. Trump never intended to build a wall. It has been nothing but a ploy to dupe the weak minded.

 

I invite you to read the Constitution.

Have you ever read it before?

 

16 blue states, color me surprised Funny how Texas is one of the states the most effected by illegal immigration, and they're not part of the lawsuit.... (California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, and Virginia are the 16 states.)

 

Have you read the applicable laws allowing Trump to do this?

I may not agree with it, but he has the authority.

Emergency presidential powers are dramatic, and range from suspending all laws regulating chemical and biological weapons, including the ban on human testing (50 U.S.C. § 1515, passed 1969); to suspending any Clean Air Act implementation plan or excess emissions penalty upon petition of a state governor (42 U.S.C. (f) § 7410 (f), passed 1977); to authorizing and constructing military construction projects (10 U.S.C. (a) § 2808 (a), passed 1982) using any existing defense appropriations for such military constructions ($10.4 billion in FY2018[18]); to drafting any retired Coast Guard officers (14 U.S.C. § 331, passed 1963) or enlisted members (14 U.S.C. § 359, passed 1949) into active duty.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

The bolded is what he’s doing.

 

The border wall is NOT a military construction project!

 

Trump sank his cause by declaring that a state of emergency was not necessary but that he wanted the money for his Wall.

This goes against the definition of emergency in the Constitution.

The chances of his being overturned are almost 100%.

 

The question is all about the definition of emergency. And then you have the spirit of the law. I think trump fails on both counts but I'm no lawyer.
One thing's for sure, no objective person thinks there is an actual national emergency. Show me someone who claims they do and I'll show you an idiot or a liar.

 

There has never been an instance of the National Emergencies Act where a President sought funding for a specific project by Congress, did not get the amount he sought, and then declared a National Emergency in response.

There have only been two instances where the NEA was used to authorize military construction projects: The first was during the middle of the Iraq War by George HW Bush and the second was immediately after 9/11 by George W Bush. What is the comparable event to justify Trump's "military construction?"

And even if you can address why the lack of precedent does not matter, you have to address whether there is a national emergency. Trump said, during his announcement, that he didn't need to do this. National Emergencies are not optional.

 

We saw you wither and wilt in 2018.

 

If he had the authority to build his ****ing wall under the 2006 law, then he would not have shut down the government for the longest stretch in US history nor would he have declared a national emergency in 2018-19.

 

The 16 Demo states will lose. Here is why.


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ential’-threat-to-u-s.551170/#post-1070246902

Oh and btw leftness.....don't expect this matter to take years. It will be fast tracked to SCOTUS under National Security.

 

You will need to talk me through the logic that you are trying to make here. Or at least clarify my understanding if you think I am taking the wrong point.

Essentially, you are arguing that Trump has the constitutional authority to declare a national emergency to obtain additional funds after being denied by Congress because Obama said there was a humanitarian crisis in 2014, sought emergency appropriations from congress, and because the total number of removals (not just between ports of entry along the southern border) have increased since 2002?

 

What's next, declaring martial law even if he doesn't need to; say in 2020?

 

Trump already pointed out that it is a Humanitarian crisis. Just like the Peep did. Moreover, Trump can use Kelly's assessment.

Also the removals have doubled since 2015.

Oh and the Peep used an EO to get money from appropriations. Pelosi and the Demos in the House are blocking Trump from doing that. And you should already know this will be fast tracked to SCOTUS and be telling the leftness yourself. This way they wont hold on to that wild fantasy that it will take years.




Given the concerns about militarization and “minimal Department of Defense resources” to confront security threats deeply rooted in social issues, Kelly said that the U.S. military mission in Central America has redirected its focus to the institutions in those countries that are involved in border and maritime security. But the attempts to hide U.S. military involvement in border security may have backfired, now that the U.S. needs the military’s help to protect the border more than ever......snip~

Of course Trump has shown that already.

 

I agree that he did. He’s not usurping Congress though. We shall see what happens. Congress has a means to end it, also written into law by them.