States sue Trump in showdown over border wall funds

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  1. MrTLegal

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    You are using a November 2018 forecast in this chart. There is more recent data. This was posted by @Professor Peabody (and you responded, so I am sure you saw it). I am going to highlight the months that I am addressing.

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    FY2017 saw more apprehensions in the months of October and November than the October and November of FY2019. Your hill article quotes numbers for December and January of FY2019 (50.7k and 47.9k, respectively), which would be approximately 10,000 fewer than the four month total found in 2017.

    FY2017 saw a total of 415.5k apprehensions, which was the lowest number of the last twenty years. Now, does that mean that FY2019 is going to be the same as FY2017? Of course not. But it is equally bullshit to project the first four months into a total of 800,000 which would be the highest amount seen in nearly 10 years.
     
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    The border patrol are not military. Any wall that he builds using military construction funds will be permanently manned by non-military personnel, i.e. civilians.

    Stephen Miller’s Own Words Show the Weakness of the Trump Legal Argument on the Wall
     
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    You Trumpsters can post cartoona and high five one another all you want. Facts won't matter to you, and never have.

    Trump lost this one, and is going to lose in court. He undermined his own claims on live television. All any lawyer will have to do is play Trump back. He does not have absolute power, and no decent American would ever want him to have it either.

    But, since Trump punked you folks by holding up a shiny object (the emergency declaration), and got you ranting about that, he didn't have to endure your wrath as he got totally punked by Nancy Pelosi.

    There will be no wall, and Trump will not be allowed to even try and sieze power.
     
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    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I thought Trump lost the election and that he wouldn't last 90 days? Alt left radicals can't keep their stories straight
     
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    Where would you be without memes and cartoons to bray on cue?
     
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    Time will prove you wrong...........again!
     
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    Still on 4chan
     
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    We'll have to see about that. Right now he has $1.3 billion to continue construction while the 9th Circus tilts at windmills.
     
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    Does the truth hurt your feelings?
     
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    The invasion at the southern border is real

    But the made-global-warming-deoomsay-we’re-all-gonna-dir hoax is not real
     
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    I learned today that the financial law Trump signed into law includes (thank you Democrats) funds to construct welcome centers for illegals. Damn those Democrats.
     
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    The 2006 law is his authority. If you note, Trump never shut down the Government. He blundered saying he wanted credit. But the truth is no bill nor law was laid on his desk to veto so then he would bear the blame for the shut down. True that Trump took away the Clinton record.
     
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    Truth? LOL

    That is why Trump adores his Minions.
     
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    The problem with pushing the narrative that trump did not shut down the government is that you are very, very, very much in the minority with that viewpoint.

    And your attempts, and trumps and the GOPs attempts, to convince the American people otherwise resulted in MORE Americans blaming trump for the shutdown.

    Again, no, the 2006 law does not provide him with any authority to build the wall.
     
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    And no one said they were. Once again you can't be honest enough to debate the reality of your claim.

    The Border Patrol are not civilians. You've been owned once again with the dictionary.

    So you can't prove every wall Obama built using emergency power is manned by the US military as you laughably claimed. This is my shocked face.

    This is exactly why its so easy to beat you Legal. You make fake claims and you run when its time to back them up.
     
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    I'd have to see support for that claim.
     
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    We can argue about whether a wall is necessary or not - but there is no arguing that Trump has crossed the line with this "emergency" that he admitted on national TV was NOT an emergency - just a way to bypass the Constitutionally enumerated powers of Congress.
     
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    Obama didn't build ANY walls under the auspices of a National Emergency.
     
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    I provided you a quote and a link in the post that you intentionally edited out just now.

    Trumps wall is a civilian project because it will be permanently manned by non-military, i.e. civilians. There is no war zone. There is no military installation. Thus, there is no military construction project.

    There is not even an emergency because apprehensions along the southern border are at 20 year lows, roughly 1/4th as that found in 2001. 90% of drugs come in through ports of entry. And more terrorist-linked individuals come through the northern border. And illegals are less likely to commit violent crimes than native born Americans.

    Oh, and because trump admitted, "I didnt need to do this. I just wanted to do it faster. That's all."

    There is no historical precedent for trump using an emergency declaration to get funds after going to, and being turned down by, congress for those funds. Obama never did that. No president ever has, except trump.

    61% of American oppose his emergency declaration. Pointing out that Democrats make up 8% more of the country is only going to further enforce that finding.

    Your lame ass attempts to insult me will not change any of those facts, so shove off.
     
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    Probably, but not on this.

    Trump lost. There will be no wall. And he will not get dictatorial powers.

    And if you were any kind of patriot, you'd wouldn't be cheering for him as he tries.
     
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    Thump was given the authority to declare a natiobal emergency using his judgement not yours
     
  24. Professor Peabody

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    Yea, yea and Hillary will win by a landslide.....we are well aware of your many failed predictions. Your track record precedes you.
     
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    That's because he had support form both parties for his wall. What has happened since?
     

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