Are you a Christian?

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  1. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are there some thing you don't do, even though it would be easy, because God wouldn't like it?

    Do you ever find yourself doing something you normally wouldn't do because it's to please God?

    You are a Christian.

    Nice to meet you. :)
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    1) you have no way to know for sure what God likes or doesn't like
    2) Many people do things they think will please God - Hindu's, Jews and Muslims included - That does not make these people Christians.
     
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    With as much as I respect Christianity (and those who live the life), I'm glad it's not the only doctrine which instructs a person on how to live.

    Theism is a hard pill to swallow for whole lot of people, to the extent that many of those people can't even bring themselves to give the teachings of a theistic faith a chance.
     
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    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    I am not a Christian because I don't find any good evidence for Christianity. I also find blind faith to be very dangerous and can lead many into religious fanaticism. Most modern Christianity is far less harmless than it was in the past. We still have a lot of homophobia, an anti-science attitude, a lot of creationists who want to insert their myths into public school science classes, people who want to insert their religion into the government and legal processes, some sexist beliefs, and general intolerance to non-Christians like atheists and Jews. But thankfully we have the constitution and most Christians don't have too many backwards beliefs.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you so much.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What fascinates me a lot of the time is the very very narrow scope that binds one Democrat to the next one.

    I find no evidence of marijuana growing on Mars. WOW. That rules it totally out. I am of such status that when i can't locate it, wham, it simply does not exist.

    Try harder.
    We Mormons do not have one bit of problem blending two ideas. Science is for the good of man and has greatly improved the human condition. We believe in Science used to help. We are not in favor of science masquerading for good but designed to manage politics.

    If you want church out of government keep science away from Democratic party politics.

    We republicans want no part of that at all.

    How can you lump Jews to Atheists?
     
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    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    We have evidence against maijuana growing on Mars because Mars needs water but is outside the habitable zone for liquid water. There is actually evidence against Mormonism and the evidence is very clear that Joseph Smith is a fraud. The facts discovered by science should be part of political debates because they have been factually verified, religious claims have not verified and should not be.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The thing about Christians is they accept the teaching of Jesus. I do not believe we in the Mormon church do all this alleging that GOD has the task of managing our lives.

    We respect GOD and his son Jesus enormously.

    Stuff I have personally heard in other churches simply are not spoken of in my own church.

    Here, I will go to the LDS site to learn what is said about GOD managing our lives for us.

     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You clearly do not want to discuss this with me. Seriously, why cut off all discussion when you have the chance to learn?
     
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    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Politics is the consideration of what should be done on a national level using reasoning and evidence. Science fits perfectly since it is a process that makes discoveries about the natural world using facts and evidence. We live in the natural world and impacts our society so sometimes it is relevant to political discussions. Religious faith prides itself in belief without evidence or at least coming up with very weak evidence to affirm your beliefs. This is the opposite of what political discussion should be about which is why religion is kept out of politics.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Had that been the reply I object to, I would not have objected.

    I do object to the sanctity approach to science. As if it rules us. Religion is not kept out of politics.

    Witness the very act of being sworn in. Witness the founders use of government buildings to hold church services.

    Witness what is printed on Federal money. Witness the words found in the US Supreme Court.
     
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    The thing about Christians is that most do not know what the teachings of Jesus are (assuming the Bible is an accurate reflection of the teachings of Jesus). Many attribute the teachings of Paul to Jesus, or speak as if they are one in the same. They are not and in fact there are contradictions between the two.

    Regardless - the post you are responding to merely states the fact that one does not know for sure what the nature of God is. Believing that the Bible or Book of Mormon gives an accurate reflection of God is one thing ... knowing this for sure is another.

    Even this belief is highly problematic as the Gods depicted in the Bible are vastly different - even if one professes to believe in the God of the Bible - which one does one believe in ?
     
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    No offense meant but Mormonism isn't considered part of Christianity doctrinally.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Christianity is not a church. It is not Mormonism. At least that term is completely new to me.

    Since we completely believe in Jesus, it is clear we are Christians. And we included it in the name of our Church.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I will try to explain in a way that might blow your socks off.

    Actually socks might be a good way to explain.

    To this date, I have never seen how socks are made. I wear them. I see them sold. I am sure they exist. I need not read the book on how to make socks to understand they do exist.

    My first thought was the universe though. I know it exists. I have partly studied it. I do have my college text on Astronomy but do not need that book to know the Universe does exist.

    Some allege nothing created the universe. I do not agree with them.
     
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    carlosofcali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Per Wikipedia

    "Mormonism and Christianity"
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Christianity

    "In the past, most mainstream Christian denominations rejected Mormonism outright, frequently calling it a cult and characterizing it as "non-Christian."[105] Although mainstream Christian denominations still reject Mormons as being non-Christian, the image of Mormonism has metamorphosed during the 20th century in large part due to an evolution of Mormon theology and partly due to a deliberate effort on the part of the leadership of the LDS Church.[citation needed] According to Jan Shipps, during the 1950s the attitude of mainstream Christians towards Mormonism changed from "vilification" to "veneration," with emphasis on positive Mormon traits such as "family orientation, clean-cut optimism, honesty and pleasant aggressiveness."[106]
     
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    you mean like picking up sticks on the weekend?

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20:8-11&version=KJV

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+15:32-36&version=KJV
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    when they count the number of Christians in this country, they do include Mormons in that count though
     
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    Because many Jews are atheists?
     
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    Yes, there are other groups considered "Christian" that reject the doctrine of the Trinity [ie. Jehovah's Witnesses].

    "Mormonism categorizes itself within Christianity, and nearly all Mormons self-identify as Christian.[60][61][62] For some who define Christianity within the doctrines of Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestantism, Mormonism's differences place it outside the umbrella of Christianity.[63][64][65]"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism
     
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    Is that true?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trinity Not Mentioned In Bible. The truth is that the Trinity isn't even mentioned in God's word, the Holy Bible. A check of any concordance will prove this fact. Not only is it not mentioned, but the doctrine is neither found in the New Testament,(6) nor the Old Testament.
    The Trinity -- Fact or Fiction? - Auburn University

    www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html
     
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    oh I agree, but when trying to prove how Christian our nation is, they use any warm bodies they can count
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A bit like the Catholics and the Nazis!
     

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