2018 fourth warmest year in continued warming trend, according to NASA, NOAA

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  1. iamanonman

    iamanonman Well-Known Member

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    Nobody is inflating temperature readings. That's conspiracy theory hogwash that you're finding on non-expert blog sites.

    Do the residential weather stations in your area get calibrated on a yearly basis like ASOS and AWOS sites do? Do their readings get quality controlled? Do the residential readings agree with RAOB and aircraft soundings?

    Question...is the point of this post to reject that the Earth is even warming?
     
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    Yes. It probably has.
     
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    Yep. And most of the time the ascent out of a glacial period is rapid while the descent into one is gradual. One obvious anomaly is the sudden cooling around 225,000 years ago which was likely triggered by a cataclysmic eruption in the East Africa Rift zone. But notice how temperatures rebounded quickly and followed the more typical gradual decline characterized by the glacial cycles thereafter.

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    iamanonman Well-Known Member

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    Nah, there is no immediately concern for NY in regards to sea level rise.
     
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    iamanonman Well-Known Member

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    Almost as if...that's the key. Corn is a C4 plant that does not respond to higher CO2 concentrations. But, what it does respond to are changes in temperature, moisture, soil chemistry, improvements in cultivation and agricultural technology, genetic engineering, etc. all of which have contributed to making the corn belt the most agriculturally productive region on the planet. The same science that made this possible says that corn yields will experience negative pressure due to climate change.
     
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    So, let's start farming. get out there, planting trees, increasing the biodiversity at higher latitudinal places. Green the deserts. If CO2 is such a threat, by all means, we could be keeping ahead of equilibrium.. We know that engines like volcanos are active contributors. As are other geo-tectonic sources for the release of trapped CO2. The actions of man can't just be the act of carbon release. We do have methods. Clearly, we can make those efforts can we not? All these are things we can do. Radically transforming the economies shouldn't have to be the first/best option. Radical population decimation cannot be the only options for us. Refraining from spurious hyperbole should be our watchout. Perhaps you can see now what the difference is...
     
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    It is not. I can go to the official temp record for our little berg and see that the temp was duly collected from the airport that is 2F high, every day. That isn't "conspiracy theory", it's simple fact. Lots of examples of this btw. I would point out that the regional airport also has a AWOS site at it and it is always 1.5-2F lower than the actual official temp from the airport. This isn't hard. It is obvious. And to answer your question, the point of the post is to once again articulate where bad data is being used because it's "official" and it's patently wrong. Then, when that data point is used to "extrapolate" the temps for the surrounding areas, those temps are wrong. they are consistently higher than observed temps. I observe that the unnatural heat islands that are our international airports are no longer capable of being accurate recording official temps for a location. Too much concrete, too many heat blooms from engines, etc. Just like being at the race track, the temp is always going to not be accurate because of the structure itself. So why continue to treat it as if it is actually accurate?
     
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    If you claim that it's so "normal" because this happened before... and that was 14 million years ago...
    than it's not normal. You just found an astonishing exception to what is normal.
     
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    No, that was 14 thousand years ago, for the last 8 we've had virtually no sea level rise in comparison.

    Do you need help reading the chart?
     
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    Start with the same prediction 100 years ago being exactly the same as today. Then we can get into the more embarrassing ones.
     
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    Well I can give you a chart about the lvl of CO2 in the air, and the temperature. I think you know what I mean. In them charts, you can perfectly see that since our industrial age the CO2 "magically" increased sky high. So there is nothing natural about it, since it's either magic of we actually did it. So you can dive back all you want in 8000 to 14000 years ago, but that doesn't really matter, now does it? I'm an ill believer in magic, see.
     
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    Sure. Sky high on a 100 year chart that uses tiny measurements on the vertical axis.

    Not when it's measured in 3 degree increments.

    If anything, our warming is going to reduce the impact of the next ice age.

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    A bit more than just 100 years. And the CO2 level shot through the 400 ppm. There is nothing natural about it, so there is nothing natural about the sea level rise. We did it. It's artificial. And the way we pumped in so much C02 in such a short amount of time... unprecedented for who knows how long.
     
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    So what? CO2 in the atmosphere does not have a linear effect on warming.

    Water vapor causes far more warming than CO2.

    We won't know if we've affected the Milanokovitch cycle until the next one starts, if we survive the ice age between them.
     
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    And that's what I thought. Push comes to shove the junk science global warming crowd runs.
     
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    We're also breaking record cold temps in the winter. One man was even killed in his garage in Iowa this winter because he froze to death in -50° temps. The Earth is having climate fluctuation just like it has for the past 4.5 billion years and to think we're responsible for it or powerful enough to stop it is the most arrogant thing I've seen in a very long time.
     
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    Yes, here you go. Let it absorb.

    Sarcasm - the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
     
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    The seasons are climate change and happen two to four times a year, depending on where you live, but we didn't need a death cult and wealth redistribution scheme for that. Climate is simply the culmination of weather...
     
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    Do you think it's considered murder to kill a living being?
     
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    Most rain in the US this winter ever..(since they started measuring and recording)
     
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    If you really want to stop global warming, it it really means that much to you, then start polluting. It will block the sun's harsh UV rays and save the planet while, in your opinion, destroying it. Or you can just let humans do what humans do and adjust like humans have adjusted for the last few million years. Your choice. I don't care either way because I'm not gonna trade my V8 for electric or turn my lights off for any reason than to have a lower electric bill.
     
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    I know, we can make the climate "comfortable" then "have a discussion" about what to do.
     
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    Uh-oh, we better do like AOC says and get rid of cows. If we want milk, cheese, or beef, we'll just have to get off our ass and go to the grocery store for it now.

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    That's a great idea. It would seem that it's currently on life support if what these liberals say is correct.
     
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    My graph shows there is
     

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