Ocasio-Cortez Fundraising Email: Let's End The US-Israeli Relationship

Yes you gave me a link of what our people know. Now I give you a link as to why we know.

 

Be proud you support terrorists instead of a 1st world democracy in the ME. Be VERY proud. Actually, just be disgusted and ashamed instead=)

 

The ANSWERniks are running the Democrat asylum, and what you're seeing is just a glimpse of the insanity to come...

 

Hahahaha.

God she drives you crazy

 

Déjà vu...



It's not just for your David Duke-types anymore...

 

Well, between AOC and DJT, only one of them is on record as grabbing pu**y...

 

Yes, Antisemites who support people who want me dead, are dangerous. The fact you laugh at that and find it funny, speaks far more about your state of mind, which should worry everyone....and quite frankly should worry you.

 

Wow, she is starting to make some sense. I don't know about ending the relationship altogether but I agree that it should be greatly revamped.

 

I find it hilarious

 

It IS Hilarious.

And the Feigned Outrage (and Mock Indignation) over this is completely Comical.

 

You find antisemitism hilarious? Duly noted.

 

What does antisemitism mean to you? I hear it a lot on this forum but other people's interpretation must differ greatly from mine. Are any policies that are not favorable to Israel automatically antisemitic? For example we have don't have relations with North Korea, (for the most part). Does that mean we discriminate against the North Koreans or does it just mean we do not support the policies of the government? And if we don't supports an Israeli government policy, is that antisemitic?

 

Supporting Palestinians or any Terrorists organizations and people who don't believe Israel has a right to exist, means you're antisemitic. North Koreans didn't elect their dictator. Palestinians elected their leaders. Too many Palestinians willingly support overthrowing Israel, so its quite a different scenario. Palestinians' rights to Israel make about as much sense as Mexico's right to Texas or Native Americans right to own the U.S.

 

I gotta disagree MMC. I'm totally shocked that there is talk in congress that is very close to the truth. Most rare in the halls of government these days.

I've known how the Israeli government so greatly influenced the federal government, but I'm 71 years old. Here this young woman ain't 30 yet.

The attack on the USS Liberty was real and planned and covered up. The enemy did that to us in 1967, and that same enemy controlled the government then, and even moreso today.

 

So would that mean the aid agencies like the Red Cross and doctors without borders helping the Palestinians be antisemitic? If a government has policies that support Palestine would that make that country antisemitic? Would countries that believe Israel illegally occupies Palestinian land and vote against them in the UN be antisemitic? It seem like the paint brush for antisemitism can be very broad with that definition? I don't believe in discriminating against the Jewish people but I don't agree with some the governments actions. I also don't support antBDS laws in the US, would that make me antisemitic?

 

The link I gave you was simply to authenticate the Netanyahu quote made to Jonathan Pollard.
Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

I didn't chose that particular link to derail this thread & discuss Israeli vs US Intelligence agencies.

America's one way alliance with Israel's successive, ruthless right wing governments has cost the US countless $ Trillions and thousands of American lives in wars driven largely by AIPAC(1) & the 50 additional, influential Israeli lobbies as well as those whacky Evangelicals.
I've spent plenty of time in our local, underfunded & understaffed V.A. hospital & seen the real cost of those wars for Israel in the form of mutilated, burned, dismembered & traumatized young Americans whose lives have been ruined.

In addition to the inestimable cost in American blood, Israel has cost the US untold $ Trillions(2) in resources that 81% of Americans feel could be better spent at home(3).

Please just ask yourself how did America suddenly find itself on such hostile terms with so much of the Islamic World?
I spent 10 - 11 months by myself walking & hitch hiking throughout Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey etc and was treated wonderfully. The Muslims who gave me rides, shelter, meals etc like the American people, music, cars etc but, like the rest of the world, sees our government as pawns of the numerous Israeli lobbies. It's no secret.

Of course I don't support cutting ties with the Israeli government but unconditional support of Israel's extreme right wing and its criminal machinations has been detrimental to both countries.

American troops should come home & secure our own border rather than preparing to die for Israel(4), (5) & ensuring Israeli regional hegemony.


(1) "Quietly lobbying Congress to approve the use of force in Iraq was one of AIPAC's successes over the past year."
AIPAC executive director Howard Kohr
New York Sun in January 2003


(2) “The Real Cost of US Support for Israel: $3 Trillion”
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.palestine/2005-08/msg00005.html

EXCERPT “While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3
billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government,
this figure is just the tip of the iceberg.
There are many billions of dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the
surface.
A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S. support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3 trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars. “CONTINUED


(3) “81% of Americans Oppose $38 Billion Pledge to Israel”
http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2016/09/19/81-americans-oppose-38-billion-pledge-israel/

EXCERPT “A solid majority of Americans would redirect $38 billion the Obama Administration pledged to Israel toward other priorities.

An IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys reveals 80.8 percent of the US adult Internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.

- Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by

- education spending (20.1 percent) and

- paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).

- Rebuilding US infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while

- funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.

- Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.”CONTINUED


(4) "AMERICAN TROOPS HERE TO DEFEND ISRAEL"
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5151907,00.html

EXCERPT "American tactical officers take to the stage, and say they're here to defend the State of Israel and its sovereignty as if they were fighting for their own country. They say they'll do anything to defend Israel. It's moving," he said."CONTINUED


(5) "Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ys-american-troops-should-be-ready-die-israel

 

It would if some of the AIPAC sponsored legislation is upheld. A few have already been invalidated, which is a good thing.

 

Helping them with aid vs supporting their political views is again, very different. But in the end the Palestinian people support terrorism. It’s not debatable. HAMAS is very vocal and honest with their views and far too many Palestinians support them, so that’s that. And certain politicians have been very forthcoming in their support and quotes. You can’t walk that back.

 

I've noticed that spelling a few times around here....

is that an alt right thing?

Btw, do you ever start a thread that's not about AOC?

Lastly, the game of racists/anti-Semites trying to make it out like it's the left that are the racists and anti-Semites....pretty ridiculous.

I suppose, unfortunately, it could work to some degree, in the same way actual fake news made it part of their plan to paint the real news as fake has somewhat worked. Not really though. I think most normal people still basically trust the real news.

 

Seeing that the Zionists blackmailed Wilson into getting the US into WWI the claim that those who support Israel are exhibiting dual loyalty seems to be valid.

 

Jews have been seen as a "problem" by socialist thought. They have "advanced" us back to the “Jewish Question”. Essentially the Left has a long history of blaming anti semitism on how Jews supposedly behave. That supposed behavior sometimes has an economic character, sometimes a social one, sometimes a political one. But it's always that Jews are to blame for antisemitism and that to act offensively toward Jews is understandable, or even necessary.

First antisemitism poses as anti-capitalism harnessed to the socialist cause. German National Socialists decided that it no longer was enough to exclude Jews that they should be wiped off the face of the Earth. Neither the Social Democrats nor the Communists in Germany made opposition to antisemitism a major issue, nor did the Resistance across Europe. The fear was that to highlight the fight against antisemitism would alienate potential supporters. The Communist party loyally supported the Hitler-Stalin pact and delivered large numbers of Jews up to the Nazis.

When the Soviet Union was finally forced to fight the Nazis, the suffering of Jews was deliberately and repeatedly downplayed. After the war, things got much worse. The Soviet Union not only suppressed knowledge of what had been done to Jews but launched its own vicious antisemitic project, one that would have culminated in another genocide had Stalin not died.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-anitsemitism-on-left-has-long-malign-history

 

No.

You joined this board a couple years after their heyday, but we used to have a number of posters, mostly on the US and World News Forums, that always, ALWAYS talked about Israel, AIPAC, and the Jews. Every day, many times a day - Jews this, Jews that, Jews, Jews, Jews - we had one of them (who was banned awhile back) openly say he thought the wrong side won WWII. Oddly enough, a number of them were from the UK and many of those were from Scotland, which always made me wonder what was in the water over there. In any event, their tirades against the Jews became so repetitive that some of us mocked them by wondering why they kept talking about the JOOOOOOOS. I'm pretty sure @Dutch , @Borat and I were the only ones doing that that are still around but the joke spread around the site after that.

 

The Real Dual Loyalty: Democrats' Support and Service to Mexico

 

The talk by the Demos is about Israel influencing our people so much that they would put Israel before our country. This talk by AOC is about the Jews coming for her. Which is bullshit.

All of our allies influence us and we influence them. That is just a fact and it is a 2 way street.

As for the USS Liberty. The Israelis screwed up. They apologized and they also paid restitution within 48 hrs. What country out there can say they ever did the same when they screwed up with us.

I know of no other country apologizing and paying out money in 48 hrs. That isn't making an excuse for them.....as they did screw up. So did we with our communications.

 

But the link you gave doesn't say anything from Netanyahu. Not to Pollard nor anyone else.

• Friends with Benefits: Why the U.S.-Israeli Alliance Is ...
  https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/friends...
  Friends with Benefits: Why the U.S.-Israeli Alliance Is Good for America. At a time of great uncertainty, particularly as tensions with Iran mount, the United States is even more likely to depend on its somewhat stable nondemocratic allies, such as Saudi Arabia, and its stable democratic allies, such as Israel …

• The US-Israel Alliance: A Strong But Turbulent Friendship ...
  https://lawstreetmedia.com/issues/world/us-israel-alliance-strong...
  However, there are more pragmatic reasons to keep the alliance around. Israel is inarguably one of America’s best security partners in the world. Israel shares a significant amount of intelligence with America, which is then used to counter terrorist threats in the Middle East.

Understanding the U.S.-israel Alliance: An Israeli ...
jcpa.org/article/understanding-the-u-s-israel-alliance-an-israeli…

Here's why the US and Israel are such close allies ...
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-israel-allies-2017-2
Here's why the US and Israel are such close allies. Michael Koplow, a Middle East analyst at the Israel Policy Forum, told Business Insider that the US's alliance with Israel owes to two key factors — intelligence sharing and ideological unity.

Beyond Alliance: Israel and U.S. Foreign Policy | Foreign ...
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/reviews/capsule-review/1994-11-01/...
Beyond Alliance: Israel and U.S. Foreign Policy. This question has given rise to an extensive literature, much of it partisan. Essentially the arguments can be boiled down to variations on the following: The United States has supported Israel as part of a grand design for extending its influence into the Middle East (Israel as strategic asset);


Btw, the Majority of Americans support the US Israeli Alliance.