We Mormons for instance do not speak in Church of Hell. I think it is a lot better in Church not to keep blasting the attendance with things like you will go to hell ... this or that. I have explored other churches just to learn what they do. Some blast my cnurch. I did not remain long listening to that that stuff. I did want to point out we do speak of 3 levels of heaven. I know for most of you that is not what you hear if you attend church. You may think of one heaven but you spend time on hell too. We relate heaven to planets. Best way to think of heaven for us is to think that Earth is one planet. Heaven is similar to one Earth for a lot of people. A higher heaven is the 2nd planet and the top heaven being the next planet. We do speak of travel among the planets. This probably blows the socks off of other church attenders. We believe that the highest level heaven will easily move to the other two levels. i guess they can simply visit. The lowest level is like trapped on Earth. And the next higher moves down but not up. That might clarify what some want to know. I searched the Church and did not find the 3 levels mentioned but I have long been in the church so I happen to know what is taught. https://www.lds.org/search?lang=eng&query=heaven I located the 3 heavens talked about. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, all people will be resurrected. After we are resurrected, we will stand before the Lord to be judged according to our desires and actions. Each of us will accordingly receive an eternal dwelling place in a specific kingdom of glory. The Lord taught this principle when He said, “In my Father’s house are many mansions” (John 14:2). There are three kingdoms of glory: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, and the telestial kingdom. The glory we inherit will depend on the depth of our conversion, expressed by our obedience to the Lord’s commandments. It will depend on the manner in which we have “received the testimony of Jesus” (D&C 76:51; see also D&C 76:74, 79, 101). https://www.lds.org/topics/kingdoms-of-glory?lang=eng
Responsibility goes to the top. Therefore, "Christian" Bush is responsible for all war crimes such as Abu Ghraib and others. I don't know anything about Franks and his views. Hitler and Stalin as "Christian" is well known. My question is a valid one based on the OP. It may not be fashionable or politically correct in your mind but you are entitled to your opinion like all else.
Abu Ghraib has nothing to do with President Bush. Fact is, the most senior Army officer that faced discipline happens to be a woman. Franks commanded. At the time of Abu Ghraib I believe then the commanding General was Sanchez who commanded in Iraq. I suspect you would never call a Muslim A christian for believing in Christ though, would you? I have spent so much time both studying the Iraq was thorough many many people that were there but believe you can also learn a lot. Opinions are kind of like faith. You being a Democrat believe your faith buys you a ticket to praise Obama but blast President Bush. Strangely Obama commenced in war in Libya, Yemen, Syria and where the ISIL (his respectful term) was. But that was fine with the Democrats because it was their wars.
No. That is not a christian. From what I can tell by reading the teachings of christ, that are the teachings of God who used the human vessal jesus to hold his spirit in this dimension, is that the rebirth christ spoke of, a revolution in consciousness, takes away any desire to sin, and there isn't an act of will involved in "trying not to sin". You just don't want to, because the "you" that sinned is changed, or it dies, and the spirit of God that dwells in your consciousness, does not sin. Something happens to the self image, the ego, in the rebirth. So be ye perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as christ taught. This is what he was talking about, a rebirth that washes away sin, and fixes what makes people sin. The ego with its wants, lusts, desires, a most self centered mode of consciousness. So you will be lucky to know a couple geunine christians. But plenty of the deluded ones, who really don't want to transcend their egos. After all, the ego, the self image, fortified by memory, the real you, is something most people really don't want to go beyond . So, what christ was teaching, while possibly true, was just not the way people want to go. And so the wide path was taught, confess, repent, ask for forgiveness, accept JC as your personal savior and get yourself baptized, and you are a christian, and saved from the eternal torment of hell fire. And you can sell this interpretation of christ rather easily, for it appeals to the ego, in several ways. And it offers that ego security, for those that will go through the motions. But it isn't IMO, genuinely following christ as he invited others to do. The trouble with the bible, the NT, is that it can be interpreted in different ways, since no where does the bible tell us what kind of literary instrument was being used, and when it was being used if different kinds of instruments were being used. Different interpretations inevitably lead to different denominations, hundreds of them, and the protestants divided up, most times because of a different interpretation of perhaps only one part of the bible. ha ha ha
i disagree. Bush, Hitler, Leopold, Blair, all these white leaders are Satanists, Occultists and nothing to do with Christianity in the slightest.
An almighty and loving God does not need human sacrifice. The story of Jesus' crucifixion is the reason why I'm atheist.
I found a paper online that has the deposition of General Janis Karpinski explaining things that does a lot to clarify a lot. They had a major Cluster freak going on. The jails and prisons in Iraq being run by then Saddam Hussein's men, were in need of repairs. The men of our Army were mostly from the civilian ranks but came in as cops, firefighters and others. But they were apparently trained to hold prisoners. Some were less trained than others. General karpinski was working diligently identifying problems and correcting them. Read on page 43 to know more of her situation. General Sanchez wanted to get back out of Iraq as did the CPA under Paul Bremer. Bear in mind, should you want to study what happened as to mission consult the book I have told you about. By General Tommy Franks. The Bush plan was actually the Franks plan and reflected that Bush wanted to get in, take care of Saddam and get back out. Bush did not want the Iraqis to deal with a standing American Army since he knew problems would be likely to take place. Consult The American Soldier by Gen. Tommy Franks and this document. I read all pages up to 43 so far and you can skip the pages discussing rating officers. Most of you will get bored reading who was supposed to rate her and the confusion of that part. https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/torturefoia/released/030905/DOD208_325.pdf
I see. Would say the same thing about OBL and the leaders of ISIS, meaning that they, too, are Satanists and not representative of Islam?
Can you be persuaded to drop the claim GOD is a loving GOD? Also can you be persuaded to drop the claim GOD needed a human sacrifice? Jesus died due to two factors. First it was the will of the JEWS. Second the Romans played their role by executing him.
One of you, perhaps you, calls Stalin, and Hitler Christians. Does this mean you now call OBL and Saddam Hussein and the Saudis Christians since they accept Jesus as well?
WOW, that shows complete lack of scholarship. Calling Bush a satanist or other stuff is terribly wrong. Bush definitely is a Christian. It seems according to the definition by Mr. Truth, so is Saddam Hussein, The rulers of Syria and other Muslims since they accept Jesus. He is the first to define the Muslims as being Christians along with his other list of scoundrels.
If God were omnipotent, he would have saved Jesus from Roman death penalty. Every father protects his son from harm.
Stalin and Hitler were both financed by Wall Street Republicans and called themselves Christian. Technically these other characters are Christian as well but so far as I know they did not use that term on themselves.
Since all Christians are supposedly the sons and daughters of this same god, he should do the fatherly thing and protect them from all manner of harm as well.
This leads us to another theological problem: why does God allow suffering and misery? There are two possible reasons: God does not have the power to protect his creation, or he simply doesn't care.
I will only accept that provided you prove Stalin and Hitler claimed to be Christians. As to who financed Hitler and Stalin, it was Democrats. They and Hitler had the same philosophy.
I never heard Grandfather sound as if he approved of Hitler but he did approve Stalin. And he voted totally Democratic party. Course my first memory of him was around 1943.
Well the point is you appear to demand or want GOD to protect humans. As if only that proves GOD is the creator. I have in my past called GOD Awesome power. So powerful he created the millions of stars. As busy as he is, I doubt he will come down to protect you or me nor my son. I gave it my best effort in January of this year. ED told me in late December he had terminal Pancreatic Cancer. I learned he decided to quit Chemotherapy. I told him and his wife I would pray to save his life. Ed died January 22. https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/edward-schuck-obituary?pid=191373559 Let me tell you a few things about Ed. Ed grew up in West VA. Ed came to CA with no money. HE found a job as a door painter. He wanted to do better. He worked at a gas station. This led him to seeing a need to be a car mechanic. He then learned how to repair automatic transmissions. He paid rent on a shop and started there. This led him to finding out a lot was for sale and he bought it and erected a concrete block shop on a busy street. This led him to advertise on outdoor movie screens. This gave him more business. This led to him buying the lots next to his shop. He planned to make the shop larger plus build a building for a parts store, other shops and so on. This plan changed later on. We got back together when i was around 42. We met when I graduated from high school and we both were racing cars. This was when we were both about 20. To sum this up, I sold Ed plenty of property. And sold some of it for him. I sold his 4500 sq ft home on 5 acres at the top of the hills. Anyway, when I sold out his property, he left for Oregon where he bought a lot more income property. He was truly raking in a hell of a lot of cash per month. So much his home was on 20 acres, huge as hell and had a huge shop on it. He kept racing dragsters. He once owned and flew a very nice Beechcraft Bonanza, straight tail. As a friend, they never come better than Ed was. So sad he died. My prayer did not work.
wow you seem to be oblivious to the satantic practices of US presidents. The bushes were members of the skull and bones cult and got embroiled in numerous wars that had nothing to do with them, to make millions in financial gain.
So you believe the skull and bones are lousy? Did you know perhaps a favorite of yours also was one? John Kerry? You had a slew of famous Democrats in the same group. Those groups get started by naive young lads. https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-skull-and-bones-members/user-x
