Gun Show Loophole exposed <<MOD WARNING ISSUED>>

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  1. dagosa

    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    And you have proof of that, right.
     
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    Have you actually read the laws ?
    http://shq.lasdnews.net/content/uoa/SHQ/ConcealedWeaponLicensePolicy.pdf
     
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    Found what, where ? Where’s the link ?
    Where does it say only criminals can carry guns in the guns in LA ?
     
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    Yes I did, did you as well?

    Notice the number of roadblocks the CA applicant must overcome to get a county, not statewide license.

    http://shq.lasdnews.net/content/uoa/SHQ/ConcealedWeaponLicensePolicy.pdf

    Now notice how a state with a shall issue system provides their licenses.

    https://licensing.freshfromflorida.com/forms/temp/T125729746.pdf#page=1

    In CA a woman who wish's to protect herself must spend around $1200 in time and training before she might be denied a license, in Florida that same woman can get her CCL for around $50.00 for training and $102.00 for the processing of the first application.

    This clearly demonstrates that anti-gunners have no concern about low income or at risk Americans, anti-gunners like the idea that only the rich can get licenses to carry concealed or even own firearms.

    Their elitists and look down upon everyone who they consider to be below them and should be under their control.
     
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    You’re not paying attention...
    It applies to anyone in the chain, not just the possessor. Because they must be registered and seller licensed, it’s much easier to enforce.
    6. imposes harsh penalties for machine gun violations, including imprisonment of up to 10 years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both for possessing an unregistered machine gun. The lawful transfer of a machine gun generally requires (1) filing a transfer application with ATF, (2) paying a transfer tax, (3) getting ATF approval, and (4) registering the firearm in the transferee ' s name.
     
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    Im surprised you didn't know Los Angeles doesn't issue CCWs to regular citizens. Those with connections with law enforcement, judges, politicians AND criminals carry guns here. There are about 200 active CCW permits in Los Angeles for more than 10 million people.
     
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    Wow, what a severe penalty.

    https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-ut/legacy/2013/06/03/guncard.pdf
     
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    In legal theory, but not in actual practice. Issuance is entirely discretionary, meaning the issuing officer is legally authorized to deny anyone and everyone, even if they meet the qualifications for issuance of a permit. Those that are denied have no legal recourse but to accept such, even if they have done nothing wrong to warrant the denial.
     
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    And unless they are a politician, judge, or connected to law enforcement, they will be denied.
     
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    The trace data released by the ATF.

    https://www.atf.gov/docs/undefined/cawebsite17183919pdf/download

    In the state of California, all legal firearm acquisitions require permits for ownership, background checks even for private transactions, and the registration of all firearms, just to name a few of the requirements. Yet despite all of that, more firearms found in the possession of criminal individuals in the state of California, were sold in the state of California to begin with than were trafficked in from any other state.
     
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    It is yourself who is not paying attention, so do try and do such at least once in this discussion.

    Those prosecutions are at the federal level, not the state level. Those prosecutions are not due to any particular or inherent risk posed to the public from the transferring of a fully-automatic firearm, but rather because the act serves to deprive the government of the two hundred dollar fee it collects on the transfer of the firearm in question. These matters are pursued so vigorously exclusively because of that perceived deprivation of funds, and government has already demonstrated that it will kill those who deny it the funds it is legally entitled to.

    The reason prosecutions for the transferring of common firearms is not vigorous, and almost nonexistent, is simply because government does not collect a tax on the transfer of such firearms, as it is not authorized to by law.
     
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    Well, you managed to talk a lot without saying much. Try not to miss use reflexive pronouns so much.
     
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    Why do you keep parading out a bogus illelavant statistic. The only thing that matters is, that states with the toughest gun laws on average, have the least gun crimes per capita.
    California’s among the better states.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/27/sta...ms-deaths-heres-how-your-state-stacks-up.html
     
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    Show the evidence they do. Why hasn’t it been overturned in the Supreme Court ?
     
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    You keep repeating the same sentences with no proof. Show the evidence. I provided the actual county procedure, show the evidence that what you say is true.
     
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    If you watch a video of a young boy being repeatedly fondled by a Male TAS screener, I don't see how this reduces hijacking,
    Since obviously, given the lads light clothing, there is very little he can hide on his person or in his bodies orifices.
     
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    You cant . Terrorists have long used kids to transport weapons. Just assuming one can see through light clothing is like assuming you can read people’s minds.
     
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    Then all that must be done on the part of yourself, is prove conclusively, beyond reasonable doubt, that it was those firearm-related restrictions, and only those firearm-related restrictions exclusively, that actually led to these supposedly lower levels of firearm-related violence. Not anecdotal evidence, not the causation/correlation substitution fallacy, but the actual proof that demonstrates conclusively how no other factor that was in play made any difference in the matter, and that the results in question would not have possibly been achieved by any other means.

    The entire presentation on the part of yourself is nonsense. To believe it, one must conclude that the individuals of these states had no actual interest in using firearms in the commission of crimes, but were simply doing such regardless because no one had told them not to.
     
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    For the simple reason the Heller ideological divide among the justices remained constant until just recently. And as former justice John Stevens proudly admitted to sabotaging the Heller proceedings in a deliberate act of obstruction of justice, there was little reason to take up another case that could be sabotaged.
     
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    Have you ever acquired a machinegun on the registry? What about a suppressor? How about authorization to craft your own short barreled rifle or shotgun?
    Tell us the process. Tell us how long it takes to get your arm. Tell us the rules regarding storage and how if you're married you're almost 100%certain to be breaking the law in storage.
     
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    The TSA wouldn't have prevented 911. I routinely find knives in my luggage that make it through many TSA screenings. I often forget the knife on my keychain that looks like a key. Its razor sharp, and its probably gone through TSA 50 times. Other, more 'knife-like' knives sometimes are found, but more often are not found. Even live ammo after hunting trips. All left in my carry-on, and all entirely by accident of course... I would never 'endanger' passengers by testing the TSA on purpose like that. But if people with small blades can take over a plane and crash it into a building, the TSA aint preventing F All. The only service the TSA provides is jobs.
     
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    And security theater. The majority in Friedman v Highland Park evidently thought that feels are worthy of laws.
     
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    Wow...now the real facts.
    You have this idea that when confronted with a security system, the same people would trudge on through and do the same things they did before without ? Tell me, how many highjackings have there been after compared to before TSA security system ? Enlighten us. Try NONE in the US since 9/11. We once had 130 in one span four years before. Regardless of your experience, they seem to be doing something right.
     
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