Boeing 737 Max 8 Ethiopia Airlines Crash

the 'slight inward' movement before the doors open & cabin pressure, prevents a panicked passenger from opening it in flight... if you know the plane is going to crash, break a window, once pressure equallizes, then you can open a rear door and bale/bail out before impact...

 

I advise all readers to not leap to conclusions as the media often is clueless yet believes in trying to explain crashes.

Word today released says the doomed Lion crew did not understand the problem. That the very same doomed airplane on the previous flight had the same problem but a jump seat pilot was ale to solve the problem when the crew was not able to.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...jet-one-day-before-lion-air-crash/3220891002/

 

Your link just shows that the catastrophic fault is more common than publicized so a very good reason to ground the whole fleet of max 8s. BTW to "solve" the problem is not simply switching off AP which is what many have been saying here. And it wasn't the media who grounded the planes

 

In dream world! LOL bail out - is this a cartoon?

 

Somebody at Boeing with authority was in too much of a hurry to push this aircraft out the door and get the revenue coming in.

They really hurt their company's future prospects badly.

 

Is there a problem with this weird software in that it can end badly if someone does something wrong? Yes!
That in itself is bad, because if automatic causes a problem, what man has to correct, it is always bad!

Is Boing under an obligation to inform about a problem, what can happen? Yes ...
Are the airlines obliged to inform their pilots? Yes...
Are pilots under obligation to accept and follow such information? Yes...

Somewhere here in this chain went something badly wrong ... but trigger is a damn software that can build crap at start and where the pilot needs know about that it can happen and how he must intervene accordingly, so there is no disaster.

 

By rights, the Max is so changed from the 737 type that it should have been tested and developed as a different airplane. Corporate leadership sought to save development costs and offer a plane to compete with the Airbus 320. Greed and corporate profits swept principles and safety under the rug.

 

It is not clear to me what Boeing did but possible that several airlines did not properly retrain the pilots. For it to be software, I do not believe this is the problem. Software can be modified of course. But the reason i do not blame the software is the rest of the fleet flew for a year and did not suddenly crash.

It could be as simple as a solder joint that is cold bonded rather than hot bonded.

If you notice, when Tesla's burn like a fireplace, the left wingers rush to it's defense by saying just a few burn but Tesla does not cancel production over fires.

 

That is a bizarre claim. As a pilot, I do not endorse the view above.

Why am I not blaming Boeing? 374 have been sold. Over 350 have been flying. A lot of those for a year. We do not notice crashing happening among the fleet, but do notice it with two airlines. Lion and Ethiopia's own airline. That is it.

 

Listen to Sully. You can trust him much more than government or Boeing.

 

That Marine pilot was an acquaintance if mine. Met him once. He was with VMFA-232 (Red Devils)

The FA-18 had a complete electrical failure and flipped over and crashed.

His squadron members blamed Obama and his sequestration.

 

Not a serious problem for the fleet wide DC10s. Only for the aircrews and people on the ground. Not every crash is a conspiracy or coverup.

 

And Captain Sully believes the inexperienced copilot contributed to the crash of the Indonesian aircraft. Two highly experienced pilots should fly passenger planes like the Boeing 737. Inexperienced pilots who want to get the experience should only fly cargo planes to get the experience IMO.

 

Sully said what?

 

Normally the pilots get the blame. Sully understands that.

 

But that is not the reason why pressurized aircraft have doors that open in. Cargo plane doors that don't carry passengers also open in. Ever wonder why, if you ever saw one, homes built in hurricanes prone areas have doors that open out? It prevents the strong wind from pushing doors open. Just a bit of trivial.

 

Sully was thankful his copilot was very experienced. He didn't have to explain what he needed from him. It had nothing to do with being blamed.

 

Sorry it was ... because when this rear hatched opend in flight in a high altitude, yu have a decomression and the plane will fell apart. And this was very well-known to the manufacture, becuase the hatch manufacture warned them about this possible danger heavy, but they ignored due to costs. And the authorities didn't make necesary step to force a technical improvement for it, due to a gentlemen agreement with MD ...

 

Oh but Sully did have to explain. The movie with Tom Hanks in it raised hell with the NTSB whom the movie portrays as totally out to get Sully. Sully had to endure a complete investigation.

 

Not sure what your post has to do with Scully's appreciation for his experienced copilot who was an asset during the emergency. There is no time for a teaching moment in many emergency situations. Captain Scully's tweet made that abundantly clear.

 

We'll just have to disagree on this one. Statistics say otherwise.

 

Everything and everyone has its lobby ... no matter in which country and what it is about.
It's only up to me that it does not matter how often something happens so it's a danger.
As I mentioned DC10 - rear loading hatch problem, there was a general, already criminal problem and it happened only 2 times.

 

Read here ... only an example ...

https://www.designnews.com/aerospace/designed-disaster-dc-10-airliner-part-2/193192128648961

 

OK, you made that point. We are trying to figure out why two 757s crashed recently and for my money it will end up being the pilots fault. We are the goat almost 100 percent of the time.

 

it is survivable, provided you avoid the rear stabilizer, and know how to slow your rate of decent and even change directions, it's a better choice than 200+ mph straight into a bulkhead and eventually the ground, amid 10's of thousands of pounds of burning fuel...