Colorado Joins 11 States Agreeing to Shift to Popular Vote System

I guess it is all in the outlook as to what a person would like our country to be. Myself, I do not want the populated areas to dictate the laws of the country at the expense of the less densely population portions of the country.

I live in Oregon. Most of our State is "red". However, the Portland area and most of the Willamette Valley is "blue" and the populated areas often dictate our Government. The populated area is often more catered to at the expense of the less dense areas of our State. While I do vote, my vote really means nothing, especially on issues pertaining to the State. Laws that many people feel are not in our State's overall interest are often forced upon us. When I tell people this, I often hear "well banned together and change it". While this is good in theory, it seldom has EVER worked ANYWHERE. It has even gotten to the point where there is a fairly strong movement to divide our State into 2-3 separate States.

Yes, a fully representative Government would be "mob rule" and votes would be garnered based on "what can you do for me", instead of "what is best for our country". While we are not yet at a point where 1 or 2 States has the population to dictate over the rest of the Country, we are at a point where 3-4 States could banned together and rule over at the expense of the rest of the country.

Saw this this morning and thought it was interesting:

 

All of Congress is based on the popular vote. And the concerns and "importance" you assign to the EC are not valid. The congress makes the laws, not the president.

No, with gerrymandering, purges of voter roles, voting machines lacking a paper trail (!!!), calls for voter IDs, rejection of vote-by-mail, ballot harvesting, limiting the number of voting machines in democratic districts while providing plenty in republican districts, announcements of voting day being the day AFTER the true date, moving voting centers to inconvenient locations out of town, and other tricks, I'd say it's pretty damned clear which party is trying everything they can to win.

I haven't heard of anyone calling for illegals to vote. That is covered by the Constitution.

First of all, few people want to drop voting age to 16 because it's ridiculous. Secondly, are you really worried about "liberal inculcation" as it relates to two more years? If it would be such a threat, why isn't it already a problem? It isn't going to happen but the frenzied concerns are nonsense anyway.

A majority of republicans wanted the popular vote in 2011.

Huh? Care to explain that? Senators are 2 per state and representatives are per district. (??)

 

Yeah, the sagebrush is right wing.

Eastern Oregon is federally represented per population as is Western Oregon according to districts defined by population. So representation by Representatives is essentially the same for everyone. In addition, the state has, of course, the State government of senators and representatives. All together, most laws affecting the state are adjusted to provide fair and relevant legislation for the sparsely populated East as well as the Willamette Valley. We have all seen this play out over the years.

 

With over 10% of Mexico's citizens living in the USA, mostly illegally, the map shows that Mexico will have a lot of power in America about the same as Florida.

 

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”

― Benjamin Franklin

I see the EC system of arming those "lambs".

 

Your link did.

From the link you provided in post #388



Same polling organization, different numbers for the same year.

 

1. That idea was put forward by ONE Democratic leader, but is NOT & never has been a policy of the party as a whole. I'm a Democrat & I don't support lowering the voting age to 16. But, even if it happened, it would make very little difference in the outcomes of elections, because young voters have the least active record for voting than any age group.
2. Oh, you mean like McConnell did during the last 18 months of Obama's administration, when Obama followed the rules of the Constitution, and McConnell didn't, just so he could deny Obama his nominee & hold the court position open so they could install a conservative on the court instead? If you're so concerned with legality & adherence to the Constitution, then how can you support the clearly underhanded actions of McConnell & his Republican henchmen to hijack the system for their own purposes? That was one of the most unsavory things I've ever seen a politician do in my entire life--until Trump became President. Now it's almost a daily travesty.
3. Where do you get these crazy, weird, heinous ideas? I'm a Democrat & I've never heard ANY OTHER DEMOCRAT offer illegals free college or Social Security for any reason. That's illegal, and I don't know of any Democrat who'd tolerate it. I know I wouldn't. This is a crazy piece of conservative Republican propaganda. Don't be unthinking enough to believe it.
4. I attended college classes for six years, and taught in the public school system for another six, and in all that time I don't recall EVER hearing a teacher anywhere trying to brainwash their class into believing in socialism. Indeed, my experience was just the opposite. I DO RECALL several instances when professors &/or teachers did encourage students to believe in & support capitalism. So, this section of your post is as devoid of truth as most of the rest of your post.

What a sad, negative world view you have. Is there any room for light, truth, and/or happiness in all that internal gloom? Sad. . .very sad.

 

That's how they roll !!

 

Isn't it the truth! I can see why they support Trump, for like him, they just make it up as they go along, and pretend every lie is their new reality, as if it never needed a foothold in the real world the rest of us live in. Sometimes I pity them. Other times i'm perplexed by them. Most of the time I'm deeply frustrated by them. All the time I want to escape from them. Seemingly, we live in the same world. Actually, we live in two very different parallel realities, and theirs is like a horror film to me. It's simply exasperating.

 

Plenty of clear precedent on this matter.

Sounds like their problem.

I don't know, but I can't imagine that a state changing it's voting process after the vote is going to hold up in court.

But I don't know what specifically would be used to strike it down, I'm not a lawyer.

What sanction does any state have now against a state changing it's voting rules mid-election?

 

Oh look, you're reading the Constitution. Great! So let's read Article 2 Section 1 Clause 3:

Well, look at that. It's almost like I bother to know what I'm talking about before I start typing.

 

That's correct, I fact that you noted further down in your post. Apologies, I separated your post into two halves and didn't treat them as a single post.

Some states do something simpler, though similar to what you're proposing: They simply split up their electoral votes, as much as possible, to represent the popular vote in the state.

 

Of course we do. There's a reason we can still refer to "the election" of 1920, for example.

What's your point? We allow states to count votes now, we can allow states to count votes in the future.

 

Again bud, I'm just explaining why what happens happens. If you disagree with some part of my analysis, make it known.

 

No one is talking about "going around" the electoral college. These states are considering using their right to determine Electors in a way that would get the EC vote to more closely align with the popular vote.

 

My concern is that we haven't seen the worst yet. We have a HUGE recession/depression coming and we can't seem to get rid of Trump. Meanwhile, he is grooming his loyal followers to get ready to become violent if he signals it's time. And Russia is plotting on ways to take over the USA and making inroads thanks to traitors in our midst. I sense something big and disastrous coming in the next 5 to 10 years.

 

What on Earth are you talking about? I want you to try and brainstorm a scenario in which Russia "takes over" the USA.

 

And that is somehow different from the current situation where a few swing states determine the election every time and all the Democratic votes in the red states and all the Republican votes in the blue states don't count.

 

They manage to distort the election through mass media and strategic hacking to where a Presidential candidate deep debt to Russia wins the Presidential election.

 

Even if I believed this (I don't), this is a far far cry from "taking over" the USA.

 

You are right. Then the President has to appoint three Supreme Court judges and geld Congress. Oh and then of course go after freedom of the press.

And then if all that doesn't work he can start questioning the validity of the democratic process and encouraging his supporters to violence if the next election goes against him.

 

And your assumption is that because the President who appointed these judges, who are then vetted by the Senate, was compromised, these judges are also compromised.

Not only is this analysis shallow, it's concretely incorrect right before our eyes.

 

When **** hits the fan, and all you superior urban liberals create the environment you are pushing for... remember who has the guns and the food.

It will be a very swift civil conflict.

 

Into the most successful, wealthiest, most innovative, and freest society the planet has ever known... so much so that most countries followed suit?

The audacity!

 

You my friend are an old school democrat like I was. The difference between you and I is, I've become an avid follower of politics since the Obama administration and after seeing all the corruption from him and his motley crew, I moved to the other side. You on the other hand remain years behind and stuck in a time warp. Apparently you haven't been keeping up or noticed your party has progressively moved far more to the left into serious socialist territory. Everything those candidates who are running for president are advocating is horrible at best.

Everything from late term abortion and killing newborns fresh out of the womb to open borders and giving illegals driver's licences under false pretenses. Anyone with a fraction of common sense can see the democrats are planning on rigging (stealing) the next election. Luring millions to the country offering freebies is simply to garner their votes. That's why they created all these sanctuary cities and spread them across the US. Now Kristen Gillibrand of New York claims if she becomes president, she'll give illegals social security. The same social security that's going broke which Americans pay from their wages.

Every one if them are offering to buy votes with different freebie programs such as free college. Anything to get elected. Generously offering illegals the world while tax payers foot the bill. No wonder millions are flooding our border which was their intention.

They're stifling conservative voices on campuses while brainwashing our kids with socialism = FACT.