MSNBC’s Chris Matthews livid over Mueller report: ‘How could they let Trump off the hook?

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Robert, Mar 23, 2019.

  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    In fact Clinton has never been investigated by a body with prosecutorial powers, apart from the crooked FBI and DOJ members who gave her and her staff immediate immunity. That's why there will be further, and far more serious, investigations.
     
  2. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    They were also excited that any Trump associate was trying to 'find dirt' on Hillary Clinton while they call their witch hunts 'opposition research'.
     
  3. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    26,558
    Likes Received:
    7,501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You're in denial. The sequence of events that included continuing and persistent lies are too suspicious. Relationships are not something that motivate such broad lies among so many. It is VERY suspicious and that is why we should know the details.
     
  4. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,186
    Likes Received:
    20,959
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    To quote Trump: "They didn't have to lie". Why did they? I don't know, and I don't care. I do know that this thing has disrupted our political discourse for far too long. Wouldn't you be rather arguing with me over a massive health care program?
     
  5. RedWolf

    RedWolf Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2010
    Messages:
    7,363
    Likes Received:
    1,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I never claimed their was a law saying that a sitting president couldn't be indicted, that was an argument FreshAir was making. As far as the Mueller report goes he sees no justification to indict anyone for Russion collusion. You want to talk about campaign finance violations then that's a whole other conversation. As far as this though it's just going to come back and bite democrats in the butt during election time. It's not the right or left that's going to be swayed by all this, but the independents.
     
    Fred C Dobbs likes this.
  6. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    26,558
    Likes Received:
    7,501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And THAT is a problem. You SHOULD care very much about such strong evidence of something being very wrong to the point of possible treason that could be aimed at handing the USA over to Russia.

    AND THAT IS WHY WE NEED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT!!! Burying it won't end the disruption. Only sunlight will.
     
  7. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    71,126
    Likes Received:
    90,933
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Destroyed the careers and reputations of innocent people? Specifically who? This whole Russian charade was done to protect democrats, but now it's turning on them.
     
    Gatewood and glitch like this.
  8. Nunya D.

    Nunya D. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2010
    Messages:
    10,193
    Likes Received:
    2,797
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I dislike Trump as much as the next person (that isn't on The View), but that comment is really not true. Nothing on the tape discusses where the money came from. So far, there is no proof Trump broke campaign finance laws....so nothing has been "determined". Paying a hooker is not illegal. If it was, there would likely be many politicians on both side of the aisle sweating.
     
    Gatewood and AmericanNationalist like this.
  9. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,958
    Likes Received:
    63,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I agree, I do not think republicans in the senate care what trump has done, that said, I want Trump to run in 2020 as it's a easy win for dems

    I think Trump will resign and pardon his family and have his VP pardon himself for any federal crimes after he loses in 2020 but before the next President takes over
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2019
  10. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2015
    Messages:
    71,126
    Likes Received:
    90,933
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Out of curiosity, what do you think the Russians did? They placed ads, but everyone placed ads. Heck, we had a couple of members on this forum who would literally spam this board 4 or 5 times a day with polls showing Trump was going to lose. Remember Zorn Captain? The day after the election he completely disappeared taking all of his anti Trump posts with him, for all I know he went back to Russian. And how about the anti Trump foreigners on this board, what differentiates them from Russians?
     
  11. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,958
    Likes Received:
    63,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    we do not know that, release the report to the public, they we can discuss the report

    we should ALWAYS investigate potential abuse of power by a President

    Trump said on national TV he fired Comey over that "Russia thing"
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2019
  12. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Burying what?? What 'strong evidence?

    You've played by a political party. Suckered. It has happened thousands of times before and will happen again.

    You're anger and frustration should now be directed against those who lied to you, had you wasting two years of your life running in all directions but getting nowhere.
     
    Steve N, Gatewood and glitch like this.
  13. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,958
    Likes Received:
    63,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    that was obstruction of justice.... Trump said on national tv he fired comey cause of that Russia things

    if Trump did not mean that.... he should not of said that
     
  14. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    As suggested by Rosenstein. Insiders were saying, before he even took office, that he should fire that known leaker and liar. Even with the information now available do you still feel Comey should have been kept on?
     
    glitch and AmericanNationalist like this.
  15. ocean515

    ocean515 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2015
    Messages:
    17,908
    Likes Received:
    10,396
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And that is why a full investigation of Hillary, her election campaign, the Obama Administration, the DNC, Podesta, Lynch, Comey, McCabe, Brennan, etc., etc., must be undertaken immediately.

    The citizens of the US need to know how this whole affair was created. Was it just a mistake of the Obama Administration, or was there a conspiracy to try and influence an election in favor of Hillary, and after the loss, to overthrow the administration of a duly elected President?
     
  16. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,186
    Likes Received:
    20,959
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well, we're not speaking Russian yet or any policies that has strengthened the Russian State over the American one. In fact, Trump's recent decision to cancel the ballistic treaty allows us to vastly upgrade our own arms.
     
  17. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,958
    Likes Received:
    63,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    republican do not care though, they are a party that no longer cares about the rule of law, the end justifies the means to them, regardless what horrible things Trump does to Americans like McCain or Gold star families, ect....

    Trump has set a Precedent that the President is above the law and no longer has to answer to Congress or even a special investigator under oath (some day a dem will do this and republicans will be outraged... but the Precedent has been now set)
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2019
  18. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    26,558
    Likes Received:
    7,501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Wow. If you're that far behind on the news, I'm not interested in nursing you to a fully-informed status.

    Sez the guy who only gets the partial "news" and spin that right wing sources sees fit to publish, while I get the more complete story. You've got a hell of a nerve.

    I have no anger or frustration affecting me, unlike you who is so eager to parrot the right wing lies that say "Mueller's report says there was no collusion!". Why the anxious haste? Why the continuing spin? Don't you want to actually know what the report says? Would you rather just drop it now and never see any of the political turmoil and conflict dissolve in the light of day?
     
  19. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    26,558
    Likes Received:
    7,501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    what? If that is the best you can do you should give up.

    We currently spend more than the next TEN highest-spending countries on our military. We have HUGE waste there that doesn't seem to bother nearly enough people. We should eliminate the waste and FOCUS, and that could cut a large percentage of our defense spending while keeping us in the lead.
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2019
  20. Nunya D.

    Nunya D. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2010
    Messages:
    10,193
    Likes Received:
    2,797
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I was really surprised that Trump did not fire Comey the minute he took office.

    However, if you are talking about the NBC interview, Trump never said he fired Comey because of the investigation. People tend to want to spin that interview as him saying that, but he never did. He did not even imply it.

     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2019
  21. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have a good idea about what's been going on for the past couple of years but seriously doubt you do. Why not humor me and answer those two questions rather than being evasive?
    You've been asked for part of youur complete story'' but gasp for air. Where's the beef?
    You're still hoping there is some evidence of Donald Trump colluding (or conspiring) with the Russians prior and during the last Presidential campaign?

    Fair enough. You should wait until you're satisfied after the report is out. Others may want to discuss the real crimes, however., and continue on this topic.
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2019
  22. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2016
    Messages:
    19,496
    Likes Received:
    9,006
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And the discouraging thing is that they're so easily spun.
     
  23. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2012
    Messages:
    150,958
    Likes Received:
    63,234
    Trophy Points:
    113
    the only thing that matter is "why" Trump fired Comey, there was reasons to fire him, but was it over the Russia thing like Trump said it was on national TV?
     
  24. AmericanNationalist

    AmericanNationalist Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2013
    Messages:
    41,186
    Likes Received:
    20,959
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    In fact, Trump even said in the same interview that he wanted them to conclude the investigation. This whole thing essentially started under the watch of a Director who testified to the House essentially that he was AWOL during all critical decision making processes, and then whined like a baby(leaking the memos) because he lost a job that he was unfaithfully carrying out.

    He should've been fired on in Mid-January when the dossier was released to the public, but the information was not given to the executive branch. We call that dereliction of duty.
     
    Robert likes this.
  25. Kode

    Kode Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2016
    Messages:
    26,558
    Likes Received:
    7,501
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I do not oppose investigations by competent, balanced, non-partisan, highly ethical people. But Hillary was investigated by Republicans before the election and they found nothing.

    Since the Republican investigation can be studied, I have to assume you mean you want repeated investigations until the Republicans figure out how to get the result they would like.
     

Share This Page