AOC is socialist. Is that bad?

So now you think you are a slave. Fascinating.

 

What she is right now has no bearing at all on what she will be in the future or worse what those who are using her as a battering ram to increase their personal power will become. A government that controls your healthcare and your carbon usage is most of the way toward a totalitarian regime already. That's just the facts like it or not. Oh and hide and watch if AOC continues to threaten Pelosi's hold on the house, Pelosi will find a way to take her out. Nancy when it comes to dealing political power is playing grandmaster level chess, AOC is still working out the moves for checkers..

 

With all due respect you don't have a clue. There is no way in which the average Scandinavian has as good a life style as the average American. Socialism begets corruption the way lice breed lice. The former Soviet Union in spite of draconian penalties still had a black market that was larger economically that their average economy. Maoist China was as bad or worse. The more government control you have the more necessary workarounds become just to survive let alone prosper.

 

Not going to take up bandwidth repeating your speil.

What I support is equality- and you have the same opportunity as I do; as Henry Ford did. All people have opportunity, because it is everywhere- moreso today than ever in history. However, it does not come delivered to your door with someone begging you to get off your duff and actually try, and that wouldn't work anyway. IF you lack the ambition to perform, you and you alone are responsible for the status of your life.
People become rich because they have provided something that YOU want or need so much that YOU make them rich. Want to be rich? That is all you need to do- plus of course, learn to be an astute money manager, marketing whiz, and a few other things.

A great number of the very successful people started with nothing, including no college degree, sometimes not even a HS diploma, and no money. I started my first business with less than a weeks paycheck from my last job- and I now run the seventh business I founded, and my family has become wealthy running one I gave away to them. The rich for the most part have become rich because they earned it- they didn't steal yo0ur money, steal your opportunity or plot your demise- they just out-performed you by a vast margin. The difference is that you chose not to keep up; you lacked the ambition to excel that they had.

NOBODY knows those things until they learn. However- the majority of us aren't willing to work that hard, aren't willing to face that challenge. If you take the easy road- you get to where it goes, and that is not rich. It's existence, and nobody but yourself is to blame. That is the vast weakness, the plague of the unmotivated- they expect to get those grand things or a share of them, but have no will to earn or deserve... just the desire to get, and to blame those who do well for not giving them more. Pitiful state of mind to be under.

The rich aren't there to destroy anybody, especially not the people below them. Personally, I would like everyone to be successful, have a very good living, a home, and all the amenities- BUT I WILL NOT GIVE THOSE TO YOU SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO EARN THEM. Doing so is like providing heroin to an addict- it perpetuates the very curse that keeps them where they are- addicted to mediocrity or worse. Looking at opportunity everywhere, but nothing looks easy enough to actually work for. Nobody delivering success like the Publishers Clearing House checks.

You, and everyone of us have the ability in America to control our own destiny- but you have to get your butt in the driver's seat of life and take control. You have to know what you want, have a plan, understand there are obstacles to deal with in life, and that it's your job to deals with them- not mine to run ahead of you and clear the way so you aren't inconvenienced.

Clearly, you don't understand a word of that, and that is exactly why you are stuck where you are.

 

Almost every civilized and successful country on the planet has had single payer socialized healthcare for 50 years or more and I don’t see any of them turning into totalitarian regimes. AOC is a very outspoken, inexperienced young congresswoman from a very liberal district and nothing more. Her ideas regarding shifting from fossil fuels to renewable energy and single payer health care seem pretty sound to me in principle. She does not scare me a bit.

 

They also don't yet control carbon usage, though many of them are working on it.

 

I am a fiscal conservative who believes in the principles of Republicanism (unlike the GOP) - so lose the ad hom nonsense and name calling.. which constitutes the bulk of your post.

Making deficits illegal ? This is just an example Red saying one thing and doing another. The fact of the matter is that every Red Administration since (and including) Reagan - have been massive lovers of Big Gov't and big deficit spending.

Try not to let reality hit you on the backside as you go out the door.

 

I do not necessesarily agree with her regarding her ideas to immediately install government controls on carbon usage, but I do think it is a good idea to pursue production of alternative fuels which could be developed into cleaner, cheaper sources of energy in the near future. Again, she is a freshman congresswoman and only one of 435. That said, there are several other members of congress who seem to be in the deep, deep pockets of the oil and gas lobby who continually act to block any clean energy policy suggested by other members of congress. I do not see these clean energy proponents as threats to our freedoms but rather agents in of positive change which could end up providing more freedom in the long run.

 

Wishing & declaring something as so - Don't make it so, lol...

An Exhortation to Proper Living
2 Thessalonians 3

6And now, dear brothers and sisters, we give you this command in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ: Stay away from all believersc who live idle lives and don’t follow the tradition they receivedd from us. 7For you know that you ought to imitate us. We were not idle when we were with you. 8We never accepted food from anyone without paying for it. We worked hard day and night so we would not be a burden to any of you. 9We certainly had the right to ask you to feed us, but we wanted to give you an example to follow. 10Even while we were with you, we gave you this command: “Those unwilling to work will not get to eat.”


11Yet we hear that some of you are living idle lives, refusing to work and meddling in other people’s business. 12We command such people and urge them in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and work to earn their own living. 13As for the rest of you, dear brothers and sisters, never get tired of doing good.


14Take note of those who refuse to obey what we say in this letter. Stay away from them so they will be ashamed. 15Don’t think of them as enemies, but warn them as you would a brother or sister.e

 

Do you have any idea who is building most of those wind mills. If you guessed the oil industry you'd be right. It is only marginally cleaner, as it takes coal to make steel, and they're hell on migratory birds. No current green tech is, as of yet, ready for prime time that's why only thirteen per cent of out energy is derived from renewables not some huge plot by the oil industry.

 

Insanity of course, Republicans have introduced 30 BBA's and Dems have killed everyone. Last was from Newt. It passed House and fell one short in Senate. We could have one tomorrow if Dems supported it. You have learned this 12 times now. Shall we go for 13?

 

What is insanity is claiming that because Reps introduced measures to limit deficits - 30 times - with no other information - when was this ? - in the 1800's ? - that this changes the fact that every Red administration since Reagan have created massive deficits and have acted like a princess with a credit card.

 

yes 13% but most of that is hydro electric which we've always had.

 

dear, that's what the country supports!! Obviously if you could get elected on BBA platform we'd have BBA tomorrow. Now do you understand??? Trump just introduced $4.7 trillion budget and Dems are denouncing it as cruel. Do you get it now??

 

super trivial issue and tiny numbers involved. Law enforcement separates families in all administrations and all countries. Embarrassing liberal doesn't know that.

 

wrong of course, blacks only became criminal when subjected to liberal programs. 1+1=2

 

but 175,000,000 Americans can buy so you must ask yourself what your problem is, not what America's problem is.

 

Agreed and a lot of green weanies is want to get rid of dams too.

 

It can and does exist on a small scale. It's a very efficient and sustainable model, too.

 

You cant 'lean towards' socialism. Anything less than common purse/collectivism is capitalism.

 

what do you mean by 'requires'? do you mean via force?

because collectivism cannot happen if not voluntary. and you know some people DO volunteer for it - like, real socialists. those who don't volunteer for it, and simply demand that others pay for stuff for favoured 'victims', are actually resisting socialism (in favour of extreme capitalism .. the only system which can fund social programs on a national scale).

 

Don't worry, you can't. It's a complete nonsense, and simply sounds good in the minds of virtue signallers who don't want to get their hands dirty or give up their nice things.

 

Not unless it's attempted on a state level by some kind of dictatorship.

 

If a group of able bodied adults (ie, a family like yours) pooled resources, you could buy a house in some parts of America for as little as $15,000. Sure, it'll be small and a bit run down, and not in a fancy neighbourhood ... but that's what you need to deal with when you're not born to money. ALL of us who started with nothing have to do that, if we want to actually get somewhere. Or, we can sit in our overpriced rental complaining, while giving all of our money to a landlord.

 

A decent and honest person does not expect others to pay for him/her. They will do what they need to do to achieve whatever it is that so many others around them have achieved .. DESPITE the super rich. As long as the guy next to you is able to start from nothing, yet still own property and build financial security over a lifetime, then anyone can do it.