Question about climate change

Why didn't the US keep Europe, China, and Japan after WW2.

AOC is an idiot. It is telling that you us the "enemy of the people" MSNBC as a source for anything truthful.

 

The only hypothesis that has evidence is the snowball earth 717 million years ago, Macdonald and Wordsworth, and that hypothesis is volcanic in nature. All the other hypothesis are short on evidence.

 

~ 500 million years ago CO2 was at 8000 ppm and temperature was ~ 8 deg C warmer than today.

 

Snowball earth was approximately 717 and 645 million years ago. Two of them. The problem with the CO2 hypothesis and weathering is that it takes a million years or more for it to have any effect.

 

The temperatures in all the ~ 4 billion years of the pre Cambrian were approximately the same as today.

 

Yes and what was the output of the sun?

 

Let us just put aside the conspiracy theories for a minute and face some reality

China SIGNED the Paris agreement and are on track to meet targets

 

China has no targets. Anyone who doesn’t understand the objectives of the communist Chinese government is wearing blinders. Read “The Hundred Year Marathon - China’s Secret Strategy to Replace America as the Global Superpower”.

 

What does that have to do with atmospheric CO2 ???

 

If the output of the sun is lower, the earth would be a snowball if CO2 levels were low. As it was.

Your theory fails to explain observed reality, hence your theory is wrong.

 

It wasn’t a snowball.

 

Because none of those people spoke English. and the US didn't have the capacity to do so. OTOH some very wise US citizens were instead instrumental in setting up the UN, though the negative aspects of Libertarianism, as well as great power rivalry, prevented completion of the vision for the UN (negative aspects on display currently in the likes of Bolton and Pompeo).

{for the record, I recognise the paranoia of the Chinese government - paranoia based in historical experience; but I also see the desire for US domination ("America First" - a hideous declaration on the global stage) from the US Right}.

Given a previous statement from you that Keynes was a fool, I expect AOC need not be concerned with your appraisal.

 

Why would language be an impediment to a nation who wants world domination ??

When did I say Keynes was a fool ?? Tax rate cuts are Keynesian.

 

State the post where I said that I'd like to see civilization shut down.

Also, claiming that one should not rely on computer models but "reality" that hasn't taken place yet is not only an example of a lack of common sense but a lack of logic altogether. What do you expect to use to predict future events? Guess work?

Where did you get the idea that it's only the Chinese that are taking advantage of this? All of the military powers are doing that.

 

Are you implying that there was a large human population dependent on industrial civilization throughout those 4 billion years?

 

The rulers can't communicate with the ruled; anyway, by 1946, colonialism was past its use-by date, and the political Left was not interested in world domination (leaving aside the competition between two opposing economic systems, and the resulting Cold War. But recently China has become more competitive than US neocons had expected, and the prospect of another superpower rival doesn't please them at all...)

But more to the point: the Right are more into competition than cooperation.
eg who are more likely to claim the UN is useless? The very people who neutered the SC from the start (by demanding the veto power in the SC.

Hence the resurrection of MAD via a nuclear arms race, as per Trump's latest policy...

I have already outlined the amazing possibilities stemming from an international rules-based system, among them (relevant to the OP's topic) - clean, free, electricity on the global scale, regardless of the CO2 controversy.

No surprise the Right see climate change as a 'socialist' hoax!

(Was it JamesM's comment? - anyway you were on his tag team).

Re Keynes, are you ready to sign up to his international 'Clearing Union' concept; or at home, increased public expenditures on schools, hospitals and poverty eradication, and public infrastructure like high speed rail? (I didn't think so...)

 

Heard of satire ?? Alarmists want to inflict economic damage and reduce the capability of countries to adapt.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Look at the historical data and the fact that global warming is net beneficial.

The Chinese 100 year plan is world domination. That's apparent in everything they do including profiting from the west's moronic policies on green energy. The Chinese are most eager to sell solar panels and wind turbines to the west weakening their economies and strengthening the Chinese economy.

 

I am saying that the periods of warming in the current interglacial created the conditions that resulted in our industrialized civilization that we have today and that the earth has gone through periods lasting hundreds of millions of years at much higher temperatures and CO2 concentrations (not always concurrently) and the earth did not turn into Venus. And that half of the nine previous warming periods were warmer and warmed at a higher rate than we see today.

 

Where have I claimed that the earth is not warming ??

High speed rail ?? That's insane. Even our moronic California progressives have pulled the plug on that one.

 

Warmer is better in some areas. It’s worse when it promotes coastal flooding and droughts. Is this a diffiCult concept ? Farmers know this stuff. When changes occur too rapidly to adjust, it promotes large migrations of people’s and unrest everywhere" . Our own military has been preparing their readiness for years based upon these facts.

 

Keep repeating to yourself that AGW is not about change, it’s about the increased rate of change. Then, you may take one small step to understanding the problem.

 

What coastal flooding is that ??

Your facts are predictions. The oceans are rising at a rate of ~ 2 mm per year. That rate hasn’t changed since the end of the little ice age.

The military was directed to produce plans by the Obama administration.

 

What increases in rate ?? The actual data does not show any rate increase. In the last 70 years which is the period of time in which CO2 emissions have become significant we have had periods of warming, cooling, and steady temperature.

 

Wrong
NOAA and the Everglades society reference, not Fix or Heritage, but people whose job it is to know. The rate if change is increasing.
Florida could turn blue the next election on this one issue of denial by the GOP Trump.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

Ocean sea rises don’t have to rise by feet to cause catastrophic damage. Storm surges, just like tsunamis increase the effects many times over by the volume created as water depth gets shallower nearer land. Just slight changes in rates of increases results in much more dramatic effects durning tidal changes and storm surges. You do know how tsunami and storm surges manifest there effects by a multiple of increase in basic sea level...I assume you do know this.

https://www.evergladesfoundation.org/the-everglades/threats-to-the-ecosystem/

 

No, but you are terrified the fossil fuel industry would largely become redundant, if my plan (outlined in post #76) for free, clean electricity (ie minus the soot and carcinogenic compounds produced by burning fossil fuels) around the globe was adopted...…(all that's required is an international rules-based system, which also means delegitimization of war and eradication of poverty, globally...just say'in).
High speed rail - powered by the above free electricity - is efficient and clean; only insane in your super-competitive, MAD view of the world.