If the entire might of the US miltary turned against the population....

Let's say you get 100,000 untrained civilians with whatever guns they can scrounge up together and convince them to start a massed charge against a military base. When the first Apache opens up and unloads 132 70mm rockets and kills a couple thousand people in the first salvo, the people behind them who are now covered in blood and bits of bodies are going to turn and run. When an MRLS opens up and takes out a 1km by 1km mass of charging civilians, killing easily more than 10,000 people in one shot, the whole group will run.

 

You're missing a picture here, that's very important. You keep saying "untrained civilians:. That's irrelevant.

Here's the ration I'll give you to make it easier:

If 45 people are charging YOU (just you) and you have your M4, you'll hit a chunk of them. Next, you need to reload. How close are they at that point? You've probably missed a quarter of your targets and grazed a few people but there are likely 30 or so people charging you alone.

Then you need to reload again.

No one has to be trained to run like a crazy person and attack.

I'm done with this discussion anyway. There are too many "what ifs".

 

Of course its relevant. Untrained civilians aren't going to have the psychological hardening required to keep pushing ahead when everyone in front of them is dying. You don't have to be trained to run *like* a crazy person. You do have to be trained or actually crazy to keep going in the face of massive casualties.

That or have people behind you who will murder you if you retreat.

 

Naw, the rebels always win because you can't see them until the bullet hits the bone.

 

Yes definitely true. Military weapons give advantage.
For citizens to win, it would have to be extremely well planned.
But that doesn't make it impossible. My concern would be the aftermath.
Overthrowing one possibly corrupt government just to have another
one that could be far worse.

 

All they had to do in Afghanistan was dig holes beside or under roads, execute ambushes and occasionally blow themselves up - how long have we been in Afghanistan?
How long did the Soviet military hold on to the place?

 

True, but rules of engagement for us is the mail factor. Politicians want us to wage war but do it "carefully".

 

I love glimpses into leftist thinking.

 

How are common military tactics "Leftist thinking"?

 

First of all, the vast number of military personnel wouldn't even know how to load a 50 cal. The actual number of people in the military trained to fight is extremely low.

In the Army, there are less than a million infantrymen. The Navy and Air Force, with a few small exceptions, would be almost as helpless in combat as a Walmart greeter.

Then, of course, is your mental image of highly specific weapon systems being used to fend off hordes of attackers doing bayonet charges or something.

You clearly have no experience or idea of what you're talking about.

 

Untrained civilians aren't exactly going to know proper fire and maneuver tactics.

 

I'm not sure I get this scenario. The entire country is in rebellion?

Anyway, the US Army hasn't had a great record in fighting insurgents the past couple of decades, but a modern, first world country should be easy to pacify. Just shut off power, water, and TV and phone communications and those communities will surrender in about 3-4 days without a shot being fired.

 

The civilians would also be shooting their own family, parents, wife and children who were the soldiers.
This is just another pointless troll thread by some bored guy trying to reboot the Civil War.

 

The combat trained portion of the 20 million US vets can help with that.

Why are we attacking military bases again?

 

So the vets are going to set up training camps that will quickly be identified by IMINT and subjected to bombing?

 

Lol...true. But on the other hand it miss just piss them off even more.
Now you opened the hornet's nest.

 

Who's providing electricity, food and gas in your imagination to the military?

 

The civilians around the bases, who would quickly be pacified, many of them switching sides rather than die. Its what's happened in conquests throughout history.

 

LoL. Yeah the civilians "near the base" would be putting up electric power plants, drilling and refining gas from their back yards to make JP-5, and planting tomato patches.

 

"Near the base" is anything within striking distance.

 

I think it would be very difficult. Our military might could not defeat the ragtag Viet Cong and the not much better equipped North Vietnamese. A top Soviet military man said once that they could beat the US militarily but could never occupy the country because there would be an American citizen with rifle behind every tree.

 

In Katrina the people had no fuel, not a drop to be had for nearly two weeks, then the lines were over a mile long to get the 5 gallon limit (ruck sack rack was the best way to carry the jerry can and not use it up just getting it). The military, FEMA, civil defense, and law enforcement had fuel -- as it should have been. Some people keep fuel on-hand and could run a small generator until fuel was again available. At least you could run a box fan and lights in the tent. Some ran a very small window AC into the tent (heart patient down the road would have died without it). A lot of people burned up their fuel sightseeing the damage in their cars, then asked the smart people for fuel. They were mostly told to go straight to hell. In a more dire situation you would have to kill to keep your fuel.

The military will eat three good meals a day and have all the fuel they need and want.

We'll have some food, less and less, then less, and the deer would be gone very quickly, as they were during the Civil War.

 

Well yeah, but expand Katrina over the entire country, and the military will be just as helpless as the NOPD.

 

We Are Already At War

The difference is that the COUP has not yet involved the military and the majority of government agencies.

But the COUP has involved the media and a few government agencies...

Trump just tweeted this on his way to California...
"The press is doing everything within their power to fight the magnificence of the phrase, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
They can’t stand the fact that this Administration has done more than virtually any other Administration in its first 2yrs.
They are truly the ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!"

 

Yeah, there are two million highly trained members against maybe 100 mill american who have fired a gun in the last year. I'll go with the two mill and the tanks against me and my brother who last served almost 50 years ago with Remingtons. Never mind being shoulder to shoulder with a guy that shoots ducks and paper targets and never had someone shoot at him.