If the entire might of the US miltary turned against the population....

Sorry but it doesn't make any sense that the majority of the military would blindly follow orders to turn against the entire US population. The premise of this thread is a useless exercise in fantasy.

 

Ordinary Americans have become very suspicious of the motives of politicians and military leaders who have crafted rule of engagement that have made it impossible to achieve a clear final victory over any enemy since 1945. MacArthur was obviously right about victory.

 

"There's no substitute for victory"? What's right about that?

Major General Smedley Butler was actually the one who was 100% correct.

"War is a racket."

 

The National Guardsman at Kent State were never ordered to fire. In fact once they fired there are pictures of the officers frantically trying to stop them. Including one officer screaming and whacking the helmets of the soldiers.

 

To come to a decision to rebel a person must be willing to die any second of any day and to suffer without limit in the ignominy the establishment will put on you and your name. Coming to a decision to rebel on the basis of thinking that you can win guarantees defeat. You can only win when death becomes your closest friend.

 

Thatś very impressive but with all due respect I have to disagree that even this many could defeat a modern army.

These are all small arms and I would generously estimate that less than 1% of them are automatic fire. That means they cannot hold off any really determined group of assailants over about 5, even if that group is unarmed. Even a very large group of men with semiautos cannot really hold up well to a small group with full autos and adequate ammunition. They cannot ¨hose¨bullets and they cannot ¨spray and pray¨ but mostly, they cannot use massed automatic fire as a terror weapon when they manage to penetrate a covered position, and this all only applies to rifles. The modern soldier is armored with Kevlar and a modern Army has tanks and combat helicopters just to begin with.

Hell, the first thing any group of armed citizens is going to do is run out of ammunition. Polyglot groups of guys with guns are not really known for having any real understanding of logistics

There are qualitative differences between a disciplined and coordinated combat force and even a very great number of armed people

 

MacArthur was right because war for any other purpose than final victor and an end to war is irrational, and immoral. It is also why Butler was right.

 

The Viet Cong were never able to "hold off" our modern army. The Afghans were never able to "hold off" the US Army or the army of the USSR.

What has been the result?

 

Outside the self bolstering rhetoric of the freedom loving, rugged vigilante there's a steep fall off in numbers prepared to actually slug it out with the state. Hard nosed NRA members notwithstanding. probably not left standing either.

 

The right wing, who have been threatening just that, with oathkeepers and militia freaks?

 

How much courage does it take to dig a hole by a road, set up an ambush, back shoot, sabotage .... .
A real resistance never has to "slug it out" with the military.

 

Please share your source for that.

 

HAve at it. the forum is replete with folks declaring that the military and police is stacked with lib hating minority hating folks that will blow us all away, once the right wing gives the signal.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php

 

True. And we have the off-duty police who dressed up as hardhat workers to beat up protesters. And we have the evidence of the police cooperating with white supremacists against counter protesters at Charlottesville. And we have reports of neoNazis and white supremacists joining the army and joining police departments.

It has been known for a long time that authoritarian organizations like police and military attract the right and lean strongly that way.

 

Fallacy of extremely unlikely situation.

If the far right rose up (probably never), the military will kill it (always).

 

Anybody comparing the VC (which was destroyed at Tet in January and February 196 to the American militia may not understand the American militia would not last a week.

 

Yes, no significant portion of the population in the US has risen up since 1861.

 

Planning trump's civil war, are you?

 

So would the rest of the country.

See what happens, give the trumpers one win and they start planning a civil war.

What we need is the decent 2/3 of the country to put these nuts in their place.

 

Let there be no doubt. Trumpers don't want democracy or liberty. They want to control everything and everyone.

 

No one would win. The Soviets, during the cold war, never considered an invasion of America because everybody has a gun and they felt it we would be an impossible country to occupy.

Getting Trump elected was a far better plan than invading us, I must say. From a Russian perspective.

 

The Soviets agenda was not to invade the USA but to take over America from within by first hijacking the Democratic party and putting radical socialist professors in our colleges to indoctrinate young college students in cultural-marxism (political correctness) and producing snowflakes and useful idiots of the Kremlin.

 

The scenario is a superbly armed and trained government loyal military versus countless guerrillas who were for the most part also superbly trained but who are probably 'iffy' in the armed and supplied category and plus a guerrillas population that would be aging while the military's 'recruitment' would always average out with a supply of young people. If it were simply down to that then eventually the military would win. Why doesn't a superbly trained and well armed government controlled military always win against guerrillas then? POLITICS. It is usually the politicians who order the government military to go into such operations with their hands tied.

Politicians simply don't want bad press and nothing says bad press like ruthlessly wiping out hordes of guerrillas and their supplies forces like scorched earth military tactics. So the politicians ***** foot around and so guerrillas CAN have success after success. Sometimes the guerrillas forces therefore . . . win.

 

The Soviets did not worry about the American peoples' militia: that is a laughable thought.

The Soviets were deterred by America's military might.

 

Because not everyone is a soft, pampered participation trophy and self-esteem type. This is something that for some odd reason ALWAYS takes the Left by surprise.