TV comedy president takes big lead in Ukraine election

Naturally... whenever the results don't go the way you want them to, it must be because they were somehow illegitimate.

 

ALL refugees heading to Russia.....don't think so, iveI'a reliable source in Kharkiv and in the ukranian military that says otherwise....there may be a few, but it's not a flood like some here claim.

OSCE was...eventually....allowed in, after the "referendum" was done, with Rooski troops all around? Hardly convincing.

Besides there are ongoing abuses with Tatars, Ukies, or anyone else whose opposing the occupiers.

 

"Negotiating" an end to the eastern separatists(aka russki terrorists).
Translation: forget about Crimea, give up DPR, so we can continue moving in more "vacationers" for further destabilization, more invasions, bloodshed, ....blame it all on the West, when youreyothe biggest terrorist.
Thats vatniks idea of negotiating.)

 

1 - revolution was not a peaceful transfer of power, but there was no international influence. I know people who participated personally and they did it because they believed in it. Ukraine does not have strong propaganda machine, unlike Russia, meaning that there is virtually no tools available to foreign agents to influence people’s opinions and views. Again, it’s a democracy and one can see it in action.
Yanukovych ran prematurely, almost immediately after signing agreements with opposition, which leads me to believe that Yanukovych conspired with Russia and ran for no immediate reason. In less than a week russians started to send their soldiers to Crimea - an indication that this was well planned in advance. And yes - the vote was illegal by Ukrainian laws and constitution, which crimeans, just like everyone else, participated in drafting. In any country any region cannot just split without agreement from the rest of the population for the reasons I described in my previous post.
2 - while Ukraine is corrupt it’s not an oligarchy at the level Russia is. Just because it’s poor doesn’t mean someone’s rights are violated there. If you call Ukraine bankrupt, how can you explain the fact that 60% of Russian village population doesn’t have a real toilet at home and they use outhouses? All russian wealth goes to very few and the rest can barely get by.
3 - as far as I know Ukraine doesn’t buy russian gas anymore. Shutting off water, electricity and gas to Crimea was the right move.
4 - what do you mean russia is the source of Ukrainian infrastructure? That’s like the most absurd claim I’ve seen. If you refer to USSR infrastructure - building it was an effort by all union republics, not just Russia and proper agreements were made to divide the property and debts. Besides, after nearly 30 of independence this infrastructure was upgraded and maintained by Ukrainian population - all of them, including Crimea. Think of rail roads - do you think electrified rail road would function the way it functions in Ukraine (very good) without any upgrades and maintenance for almost 30 years? So again, you can cut your bovine excrement.

 

Since you are such a supporter of regional self-determination I’d like to find out - why didn’t russia let Chechnya and Tatarstan go when their people showed clear desire to leave?
Why bombing Chechnya into Stone Age is OK to keep Russia whole and at the same time it’s OK for Russia to forcefully annex someone’s territory and expect that country to just accept it on the grounds of how that region population feels about independence?

 

Majority didn’t vote for Zelensky.
All candidates are for ending the war. The bigger question is how and when this will happen.
Zelensky also participated and supported Maidan - which clearly indicates he is for Euro and NATO integration, which is not exactly a favorable move towards Russia. Even if he is backed by Kolomoyskiy, I’d like to remind everyone that when he was the governor of Dnipro Oblast he stopped separatism in that region and was actively working towards supporting Ukrainian army.
In reality “Stop the War” is a populist slogan. I don’t see Zelensky meaningfully trying to stop it. Converting Ukraine to a federation and giving eastern regions autonomy by a president who doesn’t have a political party and who would need to rewrite constitution is going to be an impossible tasks - parliament won’t support it. There are only 2 ways to quickly end that war - heavy Ukrainian assault on the eastern regions and risk Russia crossing the border (Georgia scenario), or give them independence and risk being overthrown by the angry people of Ukraine which could lead to prison term for treason. While Ukrainian army is much stronger than what it was in 2014, if Russia fully attacks Ukraine it has little chances to survive. It might inflict serious pain on russian military as Ukrainian soldiers tasted blood and through rotations Ukraine already has probably 200-300 thousand trained, experienced, soldiers (which is probably more than what Russia can field), but there is little they can do under heavy air assault.

 

Russki troops would die in the hundreds of thousands....and then some. That was clearly shown in syria back in 2018.

Russkis are great fighters.....if youre retreating, or defenseless of them.

 

As bad as Poroshenko is, Volodymyr Zelesnsky is supported by the mega criminal and oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky who is wanted by Moscow for the bombing of Slaviansk by White Phosphorous. He is also under suspicion for the burning and hacking of about 200 protesters in Odessa, as well as for the shoot down of the airliner in Ukraine.

Everything is coming out now with Biden's announcement to run for president. Biden's son Hunter together with Devon Archer a friend of Kerry's, work for Kolomoisky's company Burisma. This is the company that the investigative reporter Robert Parry said was throwing big bucks around in Washington to keep the accusations for the air line shootdown on Russia.

Burisma wanted the land in Eastern Ukraine for fracking. Slaviansk was bombed with white phosphorous after the residents refused to allow it. The land the airliner fell on was also wanted for fracking and it had just been taken over by the separatists. This explains why Kiev kept demanding they leave the land so the inspectors could examine the plane, and why the separatists refused.

Robert Parry said that the Intelligence Agents he knew concluded that the plane was shot down by a rogue group connected with the government of Ukraine. No doubt Kolomoisky who owns airliners and knows the ins and out of the airports in Amsterdam and Kiev.

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Oh you mean this peaceful transfer? The police were under orders not to fight and shoot back at Maidan. When Yanukovich gave the orders it was too late.


Protesters beating Police in Kiev:


Protesters hacking police:


Protesters throwing Molotov cocktails at police.

 

I knew that US had terrible education in the secondary schools, but not to such an extent to say that Russia is in Asia. If Russia is in Asia, then you are in Africa.
Or it maybe because you spend too much time with chickens and entertaining yourself by twisting the tails of the cows you forgot the geography?

 

God forbid they be given their independence, which they have every earthly and natural right to.

Can you provide one morally sound reason why the people living in the east should have to submit to a central government which they do not recognize?

Have you ever read the American declaration of independence? Do you believe in the ideals that is espouses?

 

American Declaration of Independence is a great thing. Didn’t work out so well when southern states tried to declare their own.
Again, if all regions of any nation should be free to claim their independence then why did Russia not let Chechnya free and instead bombed it into Stone Age. Why such hypocrisy- your own separatists must die, everyone else’s are freedom fighters?

Besides, eastern Ukraine never had an independence movement. Now suddenly they want independence? I highly doubt that it’s true and only propped up russians that act as leadership claim that these people want independence. The huge number of eastern Ukrainian refugees within Ukraine kind of prove my point.

 

Majority of Russia is Asia. The whole region was referred as Tartaria by Europeans from ancient times.
Look at russian defense minister Shoygu - he isn’t Slavic and I seriously doubt he is of European descent.

 

I support Chechnya's right to secede from Russia, just as I support the right of all democratic movements to pursue self-governance.

It's not a big mystery why they want independence. The president they elected (Yanukovych) was overthrown by their political opposition before his term was up.

So a few people propped up by Russians are stopping millions of people from rejoining the Ukraine? Did the Russians give them mind-control weaponry or something? How are they able to thwart the will of so many people with so little popular support?

 

Easy - russians provides weaponry, including tanks that would be just left unattended on the border. Russians were shooting from their artillery into Ukraine from the border - a lot of evidence of that. Their army crossed into Ukraine several times.
Many Russians were recruited to fight in that war, especially at the beginning. Notice the shape of the breakaway republics - close to the border and along the border. You know why? Because Russians provide support with their artillery.

 

Also, claiming that people would rise up because of Yanukovych is beyond naive! He wasn’t getting love from most people, he was just a little better then the rest on his voters eyes. Nothing close to be willing to go to war over it.

 

Interesting. We opt for a TV reality show host while the Ukraine goes to a TV Comedy president. What's next, someone from the WWE?

 

Yes ...it's terrible, so much so that hundreds over hundreds of thousands of students fly here, paddle here, caravan here, to take advantage of that terrible education. Including offspring of vatniks oligarchs, and their skanky wives who come here to have their "anchor babies".

Russia or most of it....is in Asia you just want to admit it. Why is it called EurAsia then? The only European parts of former SU are the Baltics, Belorussia&Ukraine. Many vatniks are distant offspring of Genghis Khan....and exhibit that Asiatic spirit.

Uhhh, no, I'm not in poultry industry...and just have $$$ investment in the bovine industry. You don't listen well I see.....my geography is fine.

 

Until Urals the territory of Russia is considered Europe (European part of Russia). This is the most densly populated area. Shoigu maybe not Slavic, but it does not mean that the statement that Russia is in Asia true. Otherwise, president Obama is black, therefore US is in Africa.

 

Noone goes to the US to study in the secondary schools. Russia is not called EurAsia. To educate you, part of Russia until Urals is considered European part:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Russia

 

From geographic perspective Russia is more Asian than European.

 

According to this map almost half of Europe is Russia, so it shouldn't be called Europe. It should be called the Russian continent.

 

Don't pay any attention to them, they're looking at all of Russia's lands and drooling. Too bad for them. They've been trying forever to grab it, but to no avail. All they managed to do was put some of the 'Rus' under the Pope centuries ago - but that's it.

 

Are you telling us that Kerry's Asst. Sec. of State Nuland and American Ambassador Pyatt who chose Ukraine's president while Yanukovich was still the legal president, are not really foreigners? Do they have dual citizenships?

Oh, then owning the major network in Kiev the way Poroshenko does, and not allowing any Russian broadcasts is not considered an influence?

Yanukovich represented the most populated areas in the country, the East and South. This is why he won the election not through lies and fraud the way the way the junta has been doing. So what have you people gained other than an enormous IMF debt which was pocketed by the criminals in charge? During the Soviet Union Ukraine was its most prosperous administration, now it's the poorest.

But look, this is what envy and hatred does. It warps ones reasoning. When Yanukovich found out that joining the EU would cost Ukraine hundreds of billions rather than the thirty billions he was told originally, he backed out rather than subject the Ukrainian people to a rise in gas and a lowering of their social benefits. Nuland's junta had no such qualms. Real sociopaths there!

As for the rest of what you wrote, it's just another bunch of the usual propaganda and lies. One has to wonder what country and people they're working for? It's certainly not Ukraine. But they're only deluding themselves. They will no more be able to hold on to power, than the Bolshevik criminals were able to in Russia.

Killing off millions doesn't insure anything. In a few years they were all dead in the Soviet Union - Lenin, Trotsky and the whole psychopath bunch, and in a few years they'll all be dead in Ukraine too

 

Why didn't Russia let a bunch of Saudi backed Wahhabi terrorists have an independent state within it's borders? Probably for the same reason Syria and Iraq didn't want ISIS to have an independent state within their countries. Some background to help you understand what happened:

"Independence did not quite work out for the Chechens. The separatist government based in the ruined capital, Grozny, lost control over the rest of Chechnya.
Feuding field commanders and foreign jihadists, such as the Saudi known as Emir al-Khattab, ruled small districts with their own little armies. Kidnappings for ransom - along with primitive extraction of oil - were their main sources of income.
Many of the foreigners adhered to a puritanical Muslim ideology known as Wahhabism that ran counter to Chechnya's Sufi traditions.
Akhmad Kadyrov, who was appointed as top Mufti of Chechnya, came into opposition with the puritans and their Chechen supporters, because he saw their extremist views as a threat to the separatist movement. In 1998, Kadyrov openly renounced the Wahhabis - and barely survived the first of many assassination attempts.
Kadyrov soon switched alliances, siding with the people upon whom he had once declared war - the Russians.

A virtually unknown ex-KBG officer, Vladimir Putin became Russia's new prime minister in August 1999 and within weeks led a military operation against the Chechen fighters."

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/f...ia-20-years-conflict-2014121161310580523.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

So even Kadyrov denounced the terrorism and violence but according to you terrorists should be allowed to bomb apartment buildings killing 68 innocent civilians and the Russians should do nothing about it.

Nice.....