To impeach, or not to impeach: there may be an alternative

I don't know... .but if my party took control of the Presidency, SCOTUS, and both houses of Congress for 2 years.... and they had appointed scores of U.S. Attorneys, he would be in jail in a week! And if he weren't I'd be screaming at the top of my lungs how incompetent the new President was, and that they would deserve to be removed.

How about you? What would you say?

 

meanwhile unemployment is at a 49 year low and the DJIA, S&P500, and NASDAQ are set to break new records. illegal aliens are living in fear again, and the world once again respects the greatest, freest, fairest nation on earth.

face it, dems, your policies suck, your ideas are harmful to the country, and the voters are on to you. i am going in record right here and now: 2020 will be a landslide, trump will easily win another term, congress will revert to republican control, and your tired slogans, phony outrage, hyper vigilance, fake racism claims, and stupid pink ***** hats will be washed down the storm drain of history as america HAS become great again... despite you throwing everything you have at her.



buh bye demonrats...

 

When High Crimes and Misdemeanors are as endemic as in this administration, forgoing impachment is equivalent to altering the Constitution. If there is no impeachment in this case, then when is it justified? Only when a President has sex with an intern?

It's ridiculous. Congress should meet its obligation.

It's a bad mistake Democrats are making. From any point of view!

 

That's a new one. All this talk about impeachment is because Democrats want to hide their field of candidates.

God forbid they start sending them money, right?

The excuses these guys come up with get more ridiculous by the minute.

 

If that were proven to be the case,
I would say remove him/her/alphabet from office immediately.

That said, I agreed little with much of what Bush did and far less of Obama's terms but at no time did I make a fool of myself by like the lefties here and in the media have done over the last 2-1/2 years. Whining and constant complaining is a leftie thing.

 

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Isn't editing against the forum rules?

 

The constitution, as written, places the power of impeachment solely in the hands of Congress. As a body it can choose to impeach or choose to take no action at its discretion. There is no check on this power. There is no appeal, there is no mechanism or process that forces action. If Congress chooses inaction that's firmly "Constitutional" and as the founders, congress of the time and the legislatures of the ratifying states intended. The process is political and not constrained by checks and balance vis-a-vis other branches. The only check is The People through the ballot box at the next election.

No Constitutional change is required to forgo impeachment.

 

Oh. So you're saying it hasn't been proven to be the case.

You had me worried there for a second.

 

Yup, the idea is to defeat Trump, not make him a martyr. I'm glad you agree.

You're finally catching on.

Of course, other Trump fans might wonder which side you are on.

 

I don't know. It would not be unless it changed the meaning of a statement. In which case, more importantly, it would be dishonest. So I never do that.

 

And the exercise of that discretion is based on what? If it's based on the fact that a violation is minor, and it would be absurd to put the country through the process for some trivial transgression that could be explained away by some "stupidity" or "mistake"... I would agree that exercising such discretion is proper. But this is like a train running straight through your living room

You are mistaken. There is a check on this power. It's called "General Elections".

Not impeaching Trump with such obvious violations is a de-facto Constitutional amendment.

 

You missed the point. It is the Trump Network and they get giddy talking about impeaching Trump. That should tell you something.

No, it is political possibility allowed by our Constitution.

Impeachment will fail. Nothing will be accomplished except lowering Democratic prospects for 2020 and elevating Trump's prospects. It is difficult for me to understand why you would want that. Conviction in the Senate is impossible as things stand now.

Now you are dreaming. Trump will not be out of the way by virtue of a failed impeachment. He will be around for another six years. I shudder at that possibility.

In other words, the kamikaze approach to the problem. Do it, knowing it will fail. Tell me, what will that accomplished?

It's not? So, your purpose in not to remove Trump? What exactly is your purpose? Is impeachment your endgame? I'll be blunt. That is foolish. The purpose of impeachment is the removal of the President, and that won't be done. So, other methods must be used. The methods described by the Democratic leadership.

See, what I mean? Trump is already crippled. Pile it on and, perhaps, the GOP will remove him. Too much baggage, I think they are starting to learn that. It is one thing after another with Trump, and the GOP controlled government is in chaos.

Oh, no, I am being very practical. I never speak theoretically. I always speak real world, absent of pious theory.

That will never happen. You think Trump would volunteer to testify at his impeachment? Now who is speaking theoretically?

The candidate should answer truthfully. "Because that is what you wanted."

You can have the last word. I choose not to argue with an ally.

 

The Emoluments clause does not apply to presidents.
Nepotism isn't a crime of any kind. High or low.
Campaign finance violations (if they were true) did not occur while Trump was president

Don't know what you are talking about regarding bank fraud.

 

It doesn't tell me anything. Except that, if that is so, they are as wrong as they have always been.

I would dispute that. Not in a case in which violations are endemic. In this case, it is their duty.

Sandy, you're a reasonable person. I'm sure that if you read a reasonable case you will evaluate it fairly. So I will go straight to my main point. Which is this...

This is what will be accomplished.

1- The law will be followed. Impeachment will still be a "thing"
2- For the first time you will have Donald Trump under oath answering questions.
3- You will have very intelligent Democrats, on national TV.... probably with the largest audience in history, drilling Trump for hours on every single illegal action he has engaged in since he became President. Qluestions he has refused to answer to the press: emoluments, security clearences, Flynn (when did he know he was a foreign agent), Trump tower meeting (did he dicatate that letter?), Comey, Putin, ....and on and on.... And remember: under oath!
4- You will have Republicans in Congress on the record voting for or against protecting Trump. How will they justify protecting obvious violations to their constituents?
5- You will have tons and tons of footage for the next campaign. Of Trump either admitting to his acts, or obviously lying, or stonewalling. All of which will be great 30 second ads.
6- Congressional candidates will have plenty of munition against their opponents who defend Trump

We don't want him to volunteer. If he volunteers, he's not obligated to respond to all the questions. This is not an investigation. It's an impeachment! He will be subpoenaed!

And let me tell you (again) why we have to do this.

You didn't ask, but what would happen if we don't impeach him

1- Any talk of Trump's criminal activity would be off the table.
2- Just about any criticism of Trump will be ultimitely met with "Then why didn't you impeach me?"
3- The "Impeachment" section of the Constitution, will be null. And Democrats will be held accountable for that.
4- Trump will play the "victim card". "They spent billions, and could not even impeach me"

Giving him the aura of being in command. Exactly what he wants. And he will respond with "No... because you found nothing"

I'm not saying that not impeaching will ensure Trump's re-election, but it's the best gift Democrats can give him in terms of talking points for his campaign.

Ok. But I prefer to learn. If I'm wrong, I'd like to know why. And you're the best mind here who can find where my error lies.

 

Your illusions are falling on deaf ears........the Mad Maxes, Nadlers, Schiff-fpr-brains, et all are still tilting at windmills. The Democrats as a group have never viewed things logically instead of "being in touch with their easily offended souls". lol.......Not since LBJ and the Clinton Cartel has a democrat had a killer instinct and a nose for hard nosed facts (and corpses) . Your Democrat snowflakes have paralysis of both brain and action. The more the mainstream Dems allow them to steal camera time, the bigger the ass whipping Trump will give the winning Clown Car recipient springing forth from the DNC nomination.
(chuckles and snickers)

 

The exercise of that discretion is left to political motivations, political debate and the dynamic political environment. Politics in this sense being the art of governance, where the sausage is made, where political decision-making and democracy rule. These spaces are defined throughout the Constitution with the only constraints being, this is where x political debate will happen. How it happens is left to politics.

As you can see that's exactly what I said.

No its "politics" and political "decision-making" happening in the forum created and empowered for this by the Constitution.

 

You have voted for Democrats?

I always find it bizarre and hard to believe this idea that people who once were Dems, turn around and become Repubs. I can see maybe being disenfranchised with the whole game...becoming independent, or even ignoring the whole deal completely.

But going from Dem to Repub? With the way Repubs are...especially now? I don't see how anyone could possibly have had that different of a view on things, and then do a 180.

 

American Nationalist intellectually matured.

 

No, that's definitely not it.

 

He’s one of the more open minded people on here frankly.

 

Hmmm, not in my experience.

Whatever, it doesn't matter. I just find it surprising that he, or any of the Trump people here, could possibly have ever been supportive of any Democrat. They just seem to despise them all so deeply.

 

I think Obama might have got some republican leaning independents under the assumption he was going to change the system.

 

Really?

Hmmm, that's interesting. I suppose it's possible.