To impeach, or not to impeach: there may be an alternative

Now that the Mueller report has come out, it has become clear that the President has committed High Crimes and Misdemeanors the likes of which this country has never seen. The Report has gone way beyond even our own wildest suspicions. And as we read more and more.... we keep finding new articles of impeachment. And consider the fact that we are only talking about the Russia probe. We haven't even started with bank fraud, campaign finance violations, nepotism, the emoluments clause....

There is, however, a part of the Democratic Party that seems to oppose impeachment. The reason being that this is usually politically counterproductive to the party that impeaches.

Let me first be clear: I find this position outrageous. The Constitution does not say that impeachment should only be applied when it's advantageous at the ballot box. I understand that politically the status quo is better for Democrats. They can lay out the evidence to the American people, and that should easily carry them to winning the election. But it would also leave the precedent that a President can do whatever they want and not have a consequence because the other party fears the electoral consequences of doing what the Constitution says. So I believe Democrats are not doing their duty if they don't impeach right now!

Furthermore, the idea would be that Trump will have to answer for his actions in criminal court after he leaves office. Unless he can pardon himself.

However, if they choose not impeach Trump, they must take some action so as not to set a bad precedent. Short of performing their constitutional duty, I think this is what they should do. They need to demand the resignation of all those who have protected Trump. And if they refuse, submit them to impeachment. Starting with Bill Barr, for lying to Congress. Followed by Steve Mnuchin, for refusing to turn over Trump's tax returns. The Trump family who still hold positions in the White House... Sarah Sanders. And so on.

Trump has surrounded himself with the dirtiest swamp in history. And it's up to Congress to drain it. Even if Republican's in the Senate decide to protect them, they will not protect them from having to answer to the charges in front of the American people on national TV.

Bottom line: At a minimum, Democrats must set the precedent that there are consequences for those who cover up for a criminal President.

 

The problem is that the system has failed already. The republicans simply refuse to provide oversight and to enforce the law. When one of two parties completely abandons their Constitutional duty and controls two of three branches of government, all that can be done is to expose the truth to the greatest extent possible. You can do that with hearings.

I'd have to check on how impeachment works for lower offices. But as long as the republicans are spineless and live in fear of trump and his base, they are worthless as is any effort at impeachment. OR, maybe they really don't care. To me, this is the core problem. 40% of the country knowingly supports a two-bit thug. They don't care as long as they get what they want.

 

ROFL. Democrats idea of a high crime and a misdemeanor, and my idea of one are entirely different. The rapid speculation inside of the Mueller report renders the report meaningless. I hold high crimes and misdemeanors in the same vein as the Framers. That is a corrupt action taken that actually harms someone.

Seeing as that is not the case, Democrat losers can suck it. The President will not be impeached, nor will anyone else. This fraud is a violation of our country. Propaganda and fear mongering against a president was used to Attack America, help Putin.

 

Even if they impeach him, the process will drag out until the next election. The better way, is to block him. I'm sure that the Supreme Court Justices have read the report, or parts of it. They know what he is. He hasn't fared so well so far in the courts. This will harm his reputation enough that courts will never again side with him. Thus, his wall money grab is going to go down to defeat.

As the report says, and as different books and letters have been telling us, his underlings have been blocking many of his efforts. This will only embolden those who have been blocking him.

If Mitch McConnell was to decide that Trump needed to be impeached, he would be impeached in a week. But Mitch needs Trump, to stay in power.

 

I will never vote for a Democrat again. It's clear that this dishonor and travesty will continue to 2021, and even into a Trump second term. Legally, the only way I can punish this behavior is that no matter who runs as a Democrat president, or a democrat candidate for a local office I will not vote for them.

You don't get to lie about someone(Trump) and then claim the moral high ground. The right way to maintain a moral high ground, is to have philosophical, political disagreements.

Seeing as Democrats cannot serve the Nation, as a patriotic US Citizen I refuse to vote for them.

 

Not even close. Trump was the target of an attempted coup. This is clear. The only option for dems is to drop it and start talking about the real issues. Of course they will not and continue to commit political suicide.

 

No collusion, no obstruction. What "High crimes and misdemeanors"?

The #RussianCollusionHoax has turned out to be a dud. Even the lib media has to admit.

Because there's no evidence to begin an investigation into these crimes.

Because the President did nothing wrong and they know it.

The Constitution doesn't allow for impeaching a president for political gain.

He won't need to. Mueller report findings say he's innocent.

Obama spied on Americans. He attacked the Tea Party abusing the powers of the IRS to win reelection. And he a used the IC to spy on the opposition campaign. Now that's a swamp.

#SPYGATE #WitchHunt #CrossfireHurricane

We'll get that criminal President (Obama).

 

Regime change #1.
First there was the Obama regime change in Egypt to remove Mubarak from power to put the Muslim Brotherhood in power.
The endgame a complete failure and the Egyptian military remained in power.

Regime change #2.
Libya, remove Omar Gaddafi from power.
The endgame the black flag flies over Libya today and Libya is a complete basket case.

Regime change #3.
Syria, to remove Bashar al-Assad from power. Obama arms Al Qaeda and his "JV Team" ISIS and allows Russia back into the Middle East and we have a civil war.
The endgame, Assad will remain in power and Russia is now the big bully in the Middle East.
The first proxy war of Cold War ll, Russia wins.

Regime change #4.
America, to remove President Trump from power.
The endgame, the Democrats fail and end up eating crow.
Vladimir Putin get his revenge against Obama and Hillary for modeling in Russia's 2012 presidential election.

 

They tried to frame him and now that the investigation has cleared him they claim the very document that clears him is proof of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Please, put your Mueller report where the sun don't shine!

 

Impeachment used as a political fiat. I can't believe we're here. One of the things the Framers explicitly warned against. They damn straight told us NOT to do it, because it'd make the presidency a token position(not that it isn't), and they're going to do it.

I don't ever wanna hear any of those losers talk about 'defending constitutional norms', they've shat all over it.

 

All you guys want to do is turn our wonderful country into a **** show, due you your hate for the president. I want him out of office as much as anyone, but how can anyone want him to be impeached when the majority of the nation does not. It is a useless exercise to think that there are 66 senators that are going to go there.

You want to embarrass him, fine pass a house resolution in the strongest possible language to the floor and pass it. Then get on with governing our country. Get your entertainment elsewhere watch an episode of the kardashians or something.

 

Oliver, the alt-lefties have been attempting to block President Trump since the first day he was in office and the malcontent bought up all that pink yarn in an attempt to show the world how erudite they were.
What you got was nearly every one of obama's executive orders neutralized and seven dozen new judges put on the bench. I will admit you have been great at wasting taxpayer money hunting witches. In leftieland, success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.

 

Mnuchin's impeachment couldn't be clearer. And if Barr shared the Mueller Report with the President, there is no way even Republicans could protect him.

 

Sure. In a perfect world, Trump should have been impeached the second he adopted the separation of children from their parents as a policy. However, we don't live in a perfect world. But we can at least defend the Constitution.

 

Oh... looks like you're not caught up on the news. News flash: Mueller Report came out. Lots of redaction but, bottom line: Barr lied.

Who is O'Bama?

 

All impeachment works the same way.

The democrats won't do it because there really are no crimes here so if they do they know that the republicans will just do it to them also for no reason.

Is that really a precedent you want to set?

If you think Barr broke the law then charge him with a crime, if you think Trump broke the law then charge him with a crime.

You are fully allowed to indict a sitting president.

However, without a serious offense they will get torn up in the media for it and it would make winning elections that much harder.

While you can impeach simply because you don't like someone it is not a winning move.

 

No he didn't.

 

That would be hilarious.

 

Makes absolutely no difference what the majority wants. It's what the Constitution says. It's the law. Period!

 

What did Barr lie about?

 

By someone, I meant a US person or law. As someone argued, you could do it over the Yemeni war.

 

I'm becoming more encouraged with the full frontal mental breakdown of the left. This is kinda fun to watch. Do it some more!

 

But I'm not talking about impeaching him. I'm talking about impeaching others like Barr and Mnuchin.

I don't trust the Supreme Court. We have 4 independent justices and 4 right wing partisan justices. Everything would be in the hands of Justice Roberts who has always been a right-wing partisan justice. Even though he has been known in some very rare cases to break ranks with his ideology.

 

Not for the children who haven't seen their parents in months.

 

Trump... collusion and obstruction.