Tackle white supremacy as terrorism, experts say

No, but I’m not limited to think that websites all over the world that contain illegal activity here may not be illegal in websites by our statutes at host areas elsewhere.
It takes govt agreement. This is how we handle down loading the material in question by US citizens. I agree the activity is illegal here, but it may not be elsewhere as defined by US criminal statutes.

So, on the internet, the criminality is related to your computer activity.

 

What does Trump have to do with laws in other nations in the context of terrorism? Is it our job to police the world?
Should we be arresting people in other nations that host content thats illegal here, but not there?

 

You don’t think cooperation with our allies is essential for our safety ?

 

To an extent. However its also dangerous to our sovereignty.

For example: if we impose a ban on child porn in Randomistan, Randomistan can impose a ban on blasphemy on us. Either that, or we're just forcing our will on other countries.

This is what I mentioned earlier about policing the world.

Im not opposed to cooperating with other countries. But it should never be done in a way that international policy can be imposed on us in an unconstitutional or unpopular way. We The People of the US are the only legitimate authority in the US.

 

It really doesn't work that way. They share information 99% of the time and the host or most affect country, is free to do with it as they please within their area of control. If it’s an American citizen, Americans would dictate action. This loss if sovereignty ?

The closer our allies, the safer we are. Unless of course, you prefer dictator ships to free elections. We have veto power in the UN and all must agree in NATO which means all have sovereignty veto power.

Right now, there are Russians and bombers in Venezuela, in opposition to our Monroe doctrine. In no small way, it’s because of our lack of support of our allies brought about by our own actions. If we keep decreasing our alliances, Russia and China will expand throughout the world as they have begun. We have a president who prefers dictators to democracies it seems.

The expansion of Hitler was in no small way the result of individual, un united countries, all interested in going it alone in order to falsely thinking they were preserving their our sovereignty.

 

This is the EFFs analysis of the initiative Trump is refusing to endorse, the 'Christchurch Call':

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/05/christchurch-call-good-not-so-good-and-ugly

"The good:

• The first point of the Christchurch Call, addressing government commitments, is a refreshing departure from the usual. It calls on governments to commit to “strengthening the resilience and inclusiveness of our societies” through education, media literacy, and fighting inequality.
• We were also happy to see a call for companies to provide greater transparency regarding their community standards or terms of service. Specifically, companies are called upon to outline and publish the consequences of sharing terrorist and violent extremist content; describe policies for detecting and removing such content and; provide an efficient complaints and appeals process. This ask is consistent with the Santa Clara Principles and a vital part of protecting rights in the context of content moderation.

The not-so-good:

• The Call asks governments to “consider appropriate action” to prevent the use of online services to disseminate terrorist content through loosely defined practices such as “capacity-building activities” aimed at small online service providers, the development of “industry standards or voluntary frameworks,” and “regulatory or policy measures consistent with a free, open and secure internet and international human rights law.” While we’re glad to see the inclusion of human rights law and concern for keeping the internet free, open and secure, industry standards and voluntary frameworks—such as the existing hash database utilized by several major companies—have all too often resulted in opaque measures that undermine freedom of expression.
• While the government of New Zealand acknowledged to civil society that their efforts are aimed at social media platforms, we’re dismayed that the Call itself doesn’t distinguish between such platforms and core internet infrastructure such as internet service providers (ISPs) and content delivery networks (CDNs). Given that, in the wake of attacks, New Zealand’s ISPs acted extrajudicially to block access to sites like 8Chan, this is clearly a relevant concern.

The ugly:

• The Call asks companies to take “transparent, specific measures” to prevent the upload of terrorist and violent extremist content and prevent its dissemination “in a manner consistent with human rights and fundamental freedoms.” But as numerous civil society organizations pointed out in the May 14 meeting, upload filters are inherently inconsistent with fundamental freedoms. Moreover, driving content underground may do little to prevent attacks and can even impede efforts to do so by making the perpetrators more difficult to identify.
• We also have grave concerns about how “terrorism” and “violent extremism” are defined, by whom. Companies regularly use blunt measures to determine what constitutes terrorism, while a variety of governments—including Call signatories Jordan and Spain—have used anti-terror measures to silence speech."

 

They can work it out rather then just let terrorism and hate crimes spread from one country to another.

Its funny how Trump can refuse to do nothing more then is done for terrorism in general. Now, if this had the word Muslim attached to it, he’d be all on board which is fine. But Hate crimes in general ? Right wing extremism and hate crimes unrelated to Muslim extremist are on the rise and much greater in number in the US under his administration for this very reason.

 

It should be worked out before we support it. Otherwise it won't get worked out. You wouldn't sign a flawed contract before it was fixed, would you?

Why should we do more for racially based terrorism than we do for terrorism in general? Is one type of terror worse than another?​

That's just as likely a result of redefining certain types of crime as it is indicative of any actual changes in those types of crime.

For example: two men yelling insults at eachother and getting into a fight used to just be a 'physical altercation' or 'assault' whether the insults were racial in nature or not. But now, if any of those insults are racial, its a 'hate crime.' Neither the cause nor the result of the crime changed, just how we categorize it.

 

Read the whole statement.

 

"Its funny how Trump can refuse to do nothing more then is done for terrorism in general. Now, if this had the word Muslim attached to it, he’d be all on board which is fine. But Hate crimes in general ?"

Still sounds like you're trying to say certain types of terrorism are (or should be) worse than others. If that wasn't your point, please rephrase. If it was, please explain why.

 

Well, in general, you spread your assets where the demand is greatest. If there is one terrorist attack motivation that out numbers all others together, that should deserve at least, the same attention. Home grown white extremism deserves the attention that outside Muslim extremism gets, which includes internet surveillance.

 

Well Islam shouldn't be treated as terrorism should it?

 

Are you suggesting domestic terrorism isn't currently being surveiled, or is currently being surveiled to a much lesser degree than foreign sourced terrorism?

 

Didn’t we start this conversation with Trumps refusal to do just that.
https://www.rt.com/usa/269506-american-terroist-attacks-study/

 

It’s trumps administration. His DOJ sets the agenda. Trump is a white supremest.

 

Biden is a tool.

 

Likely.....still, hopefully he’ll fade like he’s done every-time in the past. But Compared to the idiot savant Trump, he's a genius. All 101 candidates and counting are.

 

After the days of the KKK and lynchings, laws cracked down on white supremacists and they went underground. They abandoned open, visible political activities and many think they went away. They didn't go away. They were just much less visible as the continued to organize, persuaded members to join the military to get training in effective fighting and killing, persuaded others to pursue body building and martial arts, and developed their "infrastructure".

Trump essentially invited them to come out of the shadows with his defense of them and "many good people on both sides", etc. etc.

Although there are "non-white-supremacist" opponents of immigration, welfare, abortion, entitlements, etc., those and more are all significant white-supremacist causes. They not only use them for recruitment and organizing purposes, but their racist ideology is that "those people" who are brown, foreign immigrants "don't "deserve" to be in a white America, "those people" on welfare "don't deserve" to benefit from our dollars, "those people" of diverse sexual orientation "don't deserve" to "pollute" our gene pool, etc. etc.

So we can all keep in mind that when we sympathize with opponents of such causes, we have some very racist "bed fellows" who apply their racist views in their opposition to them.

Anyone who believes white supremacy is insignificant or impotent is either uninformed or is a white supremacist who is still trying to hide.

 

Good post.

 

Bullcrap... name a single White Supremacist leader with any power. They are insignificant dead enders simply elevated so Leftists have a Boogieman.

 

david duke and ted cruz

 

Here are a few more who are known well enough to be mentioned in this article:
https://www.businessinsider.com/meet-the-leaders-of-americas-twisted-white-power-movement-2012-8

 

They are proving to be a significant terrorism problem with their threats backed up by their anti-democratic violence at protests. More and more if you want to exercise your right to openly "petition the government for redress of grievances" you have to go prepared to fight with white supremacist neo-Nazis. And their power is growing thanks to the thug named Trump.

 

You mean like these Noble White men beating up (with concrete filled cups, causing a brain bleed) the Asian man for his Wrongthink?

 

That's different.