Trump pardons former Army Ranger convicted of killing Iraqi prisoner

No it wasn't. You took part in completely destabilizing a country, causing 100.000's of people to die in your -and I can't emphasize this enough- deliberately caused utter chaos. Hence you got PTSD.

 

Sometimes chaos is required for something better to emerge. Of course some mistakes were made, but Iraq will be better off in the long run. And the vast majority of those deaths were not caused by the US.
Without intervention, uday or qusay or however you pronounce their names would have ruled after Saddam’s eventual death, something that would have had far worse consequences for Iraq than the Iraq war caused.

 

Dude... wake up. It was no mistake, the US deliberately lied to the world in order to justify them massacring around in Iraq. Just like that gimp who received a pardon for executing a naked prisoner who he was ordered to release. That really is psychotic behavior. People must be out of their minds to even want him to walk around their own streets. And all that, is the stuff that gives you PTSD. Seems a fitting punishment. Sweet dreams on that.

The US is responsible for the death's of 100.000's of people. You go tell them it they are better off. And why better off? The US was over the moon and fully helped Saddam out with supplying logistics and the equipment to throw nerve gasses and other WMD's to civilians. If that was bad, than they should have started with giving their fellow Americans trials. So far, nothing.

 

The US was not “massacring around Iraq”. That would be the insurgents doing that. You need to wake the hell up. And we were not helping him to wipe out his own people. Yes we supplied him, but it was to counter Iran, not commit genocide on Kurds.

I can tell you are one of the “**** America” crew here. I love how you guys blame America for everything on the planet no matter how ridiculous it seems. I’m sure you’ve talked to all sorts of Iraqis about what they thought about saddam, and not just seen it on documentaries that biased parties make.

 

You clearly haven't talked to any Iraqis who did not have an agenda. I know many Iraqis and know of a couple who were murdered in Mosul by Daesh. I know many who fled Mosul to go and live in Erbil because of your invasion giving rise to Daesh and the lawlessness due to "you" sacking every member of Baarth. Saddam was no threat to the average Iraqi. He wanted to keep in power; threaten his position then you are in trouble, no matter who you are or what religion you are. The standard of living and education improved during Saddam's time. You clearly also know nothing about the Iraq/Iran war. The US deliberately prolonged the war by two years playing both sides off each other

 

They had great fun when they massacred the reporters of Reuters. Tip of the iceberg.

The US, as the occupying power, is FULLY responsible for the safety of all the civilians. Such is the law. Hence they are responsible.

The US helped Saddam before and after they massacred the Kurds. Voted against doing something about it in the UNSC. So yeah.. the US was over the moon with all of that. It's like giving the bombs and floor plans of a building fully knowing the terrorist will blow it up, to than claim... I'm innocent. It doesn't work that way, champ. And Saddam also gassed the Iranian civilians, not just Iraqi Kurds. You know it's a crime to send money to ISIS? What the Americans did was much more than just that. And here you are.. whining. The US must have thought at the time,.. massacring Japanese civilians as many as we could was a good thing during WWII, so lets go genocidal here as well.

 

It's possible that he had PTSD before he even joined the service. Some kids have rough upbringings. Crazy people do exist, and some join the army.

 

Yeah, I've been. But I was lucky and was in the MSC the medical service corps. So I wasn't a killer, thank God. We just ran a hospital, so my only PTSD was from incoming rounds from time to time, often at night. Yes, I think I got over it, but it was mild compared to the infantryman's. I'm sympathetic, for sure.

The invasion of Iraq was military aggression by definition. It was a war of choice, brought under deception, very much like our actions in Southeast Asia which I saw firsthand, where I learned that CIA was in the dope business big time.

Greedy leaders set the dogs of war loose, that have consumed you and your mates. They are the guilty parties, and the traitors.

 

Calley killed the innocent, if he had shot RPG teams and gunmen there would have been no problem with him.

 

Nope, he was perfectly clear to everyone else. You're trying to compare 2 totally different scenarios.

What fraud did GW send troops to Iraq under?

 

The liberation of Iraq and it wasn't started under any deception.

 

Of course it was the right thing to do. Find me an Iraqi who isn't glad Saddam is gone and modern Iraq is freer, more democratic and peaceful than any time in living memory.

 

What are you talking about, what lies? The US was in Iraq to save lives and rightly did so, the vast majority if those killed were at the hands of the insurgents. The US backed Saddam during the Gulf War because the alternative was even worse.

 

You have GOT to be kidding me? Saddam slaughtered his own people even when he wasn't invading other people. Sacking the Saddam loyalists was a judgement call and it is unclear if not doing so would have been even worse.

 

You mean took out insurgent RPG teams attacking coalition forces? Saddam was our boy when we needed him but don't ever kid yourself we didn't know what he was, we were right to back Stalin, we were right to back Saddam.

 

The liberation of Iraq was a noble act. Don't let your Vietnam experience dull your logic.

 

LOL, the liberation of Iraq.

Yes, we liberated Iraq from our fair-haired son Saddam. He was everything we loved when he waged war against Iran, and we delivered him all manner of chemical weapons and loans and more.

The propaganda worked well on you RR.

 

OK, you want me to pretend Washington propaganda is truth. Sorry RR, I've more dignity than you. I am not in denial.

 

He wasn't everything we loved, he was a necessary evil against Iran. We did liberate Iraq and it is infinitely better off as a result, surely you can't deny that?

 

What propaganda? What have I said that is untrue? You are in denial, you'd rather lie to yourself about the evils of the US government than accept the reality of the world.

If you had dignity you would accept you were mistaken.

 

We didn't liberate Iraq sir, we destroyed it.

And we did it under fraud. There were no Iraqi hijackers. The Global War Of Terror is a complete and total fraud.

If you had any common sense, you would realize that after 18 years of BS.

 

We did liberate it, we toppled a tyranny and installed one of the freest, prosperous and most democratic regimes in the Middle East. What fraud? There were no Iraqi hijackers? No and so what? What's that got to do with anything? The War on Terror is real, the idea that you just shut your eyes and hope everyone leaves you alone died on 9/11.

If you had any common sense you would realise that after the last century.

 

What about his crime was B.S.?

 

You have no clue. Saddam was not liked by many but most of the population did not care either way. Iraq is 70% shia and were united with the 30% Sunni in attacking Shia Iran in the Iran/Iraq war. If saddam was hated by those millions of heavily armed Iraqi Shia soldiers they could have easily turned on him. LOL at you using the word "unclear". Daesh was formed by those sacked unpaid Baarth ex-army members thrown on the scrapheap by your government. Oh more LOL at use using the word "loyalists". Those "loyalists" included cleaners, gardeners, shop keepers etc who suddenly found that they had zero income

 

By that logic, we should just be killing every muslim on the planet. If Trump declared a muslim eradication program, his base voters would try and put his face on Mt Rushmore.