Trump pardons former Army Ranger convicted of killing Iraqi prisoner

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    To claim that Reuters was embedded with terrorists... is a total joke to reality.
    They US just laughed that they gun downed journalists in multiple attacks on them.
    They hid it as a top secret thing. They prosecute everybody who exposes their ways.


    It's just like in the days that they equipped Saddam with WMD's and provided the military intel to massacre around Iraqi and Iranian civilians. That's how Americans are.
     
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    US Conservative Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Elected Democrats always tell you what they are all about.

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    You mean you have no comeback and are running away?
     
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    Find me some? Everyone was glad Saddam was gone the fight was over who would replace him. Their attitudes have changed and the fact that they can have a vote in the first place should tell you something? The US is responsible all right, for liberating Iraq.
     
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    Of course there were;

    Saddam had about 5000 nerve agent bombs and shells from his 1990s stockpile, he could easily have provided it to any number of the terrorist groups he supported and they could have smuggled it into the US.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...t/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html
    Saddam continued to develop (but not manufacture) chemical weapons whose sophistication shocked inspectors and were still lethal enough to poison the troops who found them a decade later.
    https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5.html#sect3
    Saddam maintained his vast Uranium stockpile and never lost his desire to attain WMDs, despite the fact he could have sold it on the civil nuclear market for tens of millions of dollars (as the post liberation Iraq's democratic government later did).
    www.nbcnews.com/id/25546334/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/secret-us-mission-hauls-uranium-iraq/#.XKMfuPZFzIU

    Yes, white yellowcake alone isn't enough for a dirty bomb but you can make one with additional elements and Saddam could have refined it for his A-bomb.

    Come on, give it up, you can still oppose the liberation and accept there were WMDs.
     
  6. Reasonablerob

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    Of course they were, they were standing in the middle of a group of heavily armed terrorists who'd been attacking US forces, even Assange admits that. The crews laughed as they killed the terrorists who'd been trying to kill them, again even Assange admits the crews didn't know they were journalists.

    No one equipped Saddam with WMDs, he made his own, the US backed Saddam as the devil it knew against the Iranians, he was Stalin against their Hitler.
     
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    Some people's hatred of Obama is so great, they are blind to the truth.
     
  8. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    That is too funny. We don't have democracy in America.
     
  9. Reasonablerob

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    Oh course you do, you're the most powerful democracy in the world.
     
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    You say that without prove, while I proved that they are hating the American guts in that country.
     
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    1. Without 'proof'.

    2. You have one survey from 2008 when the insurgency was at its' height and one article where some pro-Iranian politicians in Iraq's democratic parliament (thank you GW!) table a motion to discuss the US military presence.

    Again, find me an Iraqi who's sorry Saddam is gone?
     
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    I prove it with:
    1) poll from 2008
    2) that they still don't want the US.

    You claim something, yet demand me to prove it? LOL
    You got nothing!
     
  13. Reasonablerob

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    1. A poll from 11 years ago? Especially now things are so much better.
    2. You don't prove your second assertion by saying it repeatedly.

    In order to prove your assertion you have to provide proof. I've asked you to provide me with an Iraqi who was sorry Saddam was gone, please do?
     
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    The invasion is 18 years ago.
    The OP is not really vague that they are going to vote positive to kick the US army out.

    It still is... YOUR assertion that is going without any prove.
     
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  15. Reasonablerob

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    Yes and a lot has changed in the last 11 years. The original poster's opinion is just that, opinion. I ask you again, find me some Iraqis who would rather Saddam was still in power.
     
  16. truth and justice

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    LOL There are loads!
    https://frrme.org/was-iraq-better-under-saddam/
    "Many Iraqi Christians we have interviewed have told us that life was in many ways better under Saddam."

    https://www.npr.org/sections/parall...talgic-for-saddam-hussein-era?t=1558870511331
    15 Years After U.S. Invasion, Some Iraqis Are Nostalgic For Saddam Hussein Era

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/it-was-better-to-live-in-iraq-under-saddam-9532742.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/it-was-better-to-live-in-iraq-under-saddam-9532742.html
    It was better to live in Iraq under Saddam
    The country has begun to slip into anarchy, but it wasn't always like this. It used to be a much happier and safer place to live

    https://www.thenational.ae/world/me...addam-fell-where-does-iraq-stand-now-1.719746
    "Fifteen years later, our society is still destroyed. Security. Economy, It’s getting worse. Even in the old regime, we as a country felt more respected," he said, pausing to serve a customer buying cigarettes.

     
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    All these years later, with all the knowledge we've gained over 15 years, you still believe all that BS circulated by the government regarding its military aggression in Iraq?

    Man alive, some people will believe known liars in a heartbeat. No wonder we're in the shape we're in.
     
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    They are going to have a vote on it, to kick out the US army. That proves the negative sentiment isn't gone one bit.
    And you're simply refusing to prove the opposite now. So you got nothing to dispute.
     
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    Come on, one persons opinion saying that 'In some ways', a report from 2014, this is flannel, Iraq is better off after the liberation, you can oppose it without resorting to this hypocritical nonsense.
     
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    You don't know that, the pro-Iranians in the parliament are having a discussion about it, the very fact that they can do that suggests the triumph of democracy.
     
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    All these years later with all the knowledge we've gained over 15 yeats, you still believe all the BS circulated by left wingers about the liberation of Iraq? Man alive, some people will believe fraudulent hypocrisy in a heartbeat. No wonder you're in the shape you're in.
     
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    LOL. You asked "find me some Iraqis who would rather Saddam was still in power." now you're running away from your question. Perhaps you wanted these Iraqis to personally tell you, yes? Then you would still accuse them of lying, delusional people are like that
     
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    Some of us are more sophisticated in analysis than to be confined by the left-right paradigm.

    And of course, some are not as sophisticated that way. Some remain trapped in the left-right paradigm.

    The military aggression by the US against Iraq was brought under fraud.
     
  24. Reasonablerob

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    No, you did and I respect their opinion and understand their viewpoints. But look at Iraq today and compare it to how it used to be
     
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    What fraud triggered the liberation exactly?
     

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