Angry Trump slams Democrats' investigations after cutting infrastructure meeting short

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  1. PatriotNews

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    I hope she does enjoy.

     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Your loyalty to Trump reminds me of the mindless loyalty shown Hitler by the German masses during WWII. I never comprehended it. I still don't.
    No, but thanks to McConnell, it doesn't work at all.
     
  3. US Conservative

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    We didn't need that presser to know that dems were lying about what happened.
     
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    Says who? Not me.
    So, how many times has Congress overridden a Presidential veto in the past while? Eight times since Reagan.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes
    Big surprise. Obama couldn't get a damn thing done after 2011.
    That's not what Mueller said. Did you read his report? In his conclusion in the Obstruction section, he wrote:

    Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment , we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
    Mueller developed a lot of hard evidence. It's in his report.
    Voters are uninformed if they think there's no evidence.
     
  5. PatriotNews

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    This is where libs are so very wrong, and btw, nice Hitler fallacy.

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    I have no love for Trump as a man or a person. I'm real happy with his policies. We love our country and freedom, individual freedom, individual rights. Democrats like to play God, they like the government to control people. We like our Constitution, we like the electoral college. We like that 30 states have a say over the 20 most powerful states. If Jeb Bush was as strong a leader as Trump, then we'd be supporting him. You on the other hand wouldn't treat Jeb Bush any different than Trump.
     
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    I will inform you today all presidents were the chief obstructors.(power of veto)

    But now it is different. The Democrats pledged to obstruct this president.

    Were we obstructors, Obama would; have never got the ACA and definitely not DACA.
     
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    It's like Pete Buttigieg said on Fox Propaganda station a few days ago regarding Trump's behaviors. . .(paraphrasing) "It's hard not to look at things that are grotesque." :)
     
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    You make a lot of assumptions, then act as if they were automatically true--not unlike Trump. I don't care much for Jeb Bush, partly because I disagree with him politically, and partly because I don't believe we should permit powerful political families to dominate our White House. But I'd take Jeb Bush any day over Trump.
     
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    Thats all they are these days...
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    That's crap and you KNOW it... Jeb Bush likely wouldn't have been a great president (like his much dumber brother), but he's not a criminal dickhead.... Jeb would have had troubles getting good laws passed (with Mitchy the Kid), but he would have gone through his 4 years much like his old man did.... relatively scandal and investigation free...

    Instead of Jeb, you got a destroyed national party... Hope it was worth it...
     
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    You Trumpites are hyper-partisan. There's lots of blame to go around and Trump is responsible for plenty. You're willfully blind.
     
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    It definitely was not mindless and FDR and many Americans greatly admired Hitler up to his war invasions.

    As then Democrat American admirers of Hitler, I submit, there was no love in the USA for Jews.

    FDR never admired Jews.

    Why then was it not mindless by the Germans.

    The quickest path to admiring by the public is to cure a super deep recession/depresssion and create a very powerful economy. That is what FDR and Ford and GM and Lindbergh so admired. That is the model FDR was trying to emulate. Hitler had far more power than FDR had so it was more difficult for FDR to engage in war than it was for Hitler.

    So the excellent economy in Germany bought their loyalty.
     
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    Trump...

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    Want to take a wild stab at how many pieces of legislation have been passed by the House since the 2018 midterm?

    I will even set the over/under for you at 100.
     
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    For at least a century the FBI has maintained an independence from the sitting President in the sense of being sworn to uphold the Constitution, not the President. But Trump is the first President in my life & as far as I know, in history, to openly claim the FBI must be loyal to him rather than the Constitution. Barr is acting in accordance with Trump's demands. For me, that's a real erosion of the rule of law & a step toward authoritarianism. I have no idea why you can't see that, but it worries me that you & so many others like you are so willing to take Trump off the leash of the Checks & Balances written into the Constitution. I know conservatives don't like government, but a few years ago, conservatives publicly proclaimed the divine status of our Constitutional government. Today, those same Republicans seem to hate all government systems, whatever or wherever they are. For me, that's a form of extremism, and extremism in pursuit of any ideal, is an evil & destructive thing. Nothing in our lives is altogether bad or altogether good, but a mixture of both. That includes governments. But having an extreme hatred of governments blinds one to the good government can and does do--which is sometimes quite notable.

    The Constitution of the U.S. gives Congress not only the right, but the RESPONSIBILITY of overseeing the Presidency for corruption. Congress always has that right, and the right to express it however they choose. I can't remember a President in my lifetime who didn't face some kind of legal scrutiny by Congress during their tenure of office. Trump has behaved in ways that make him even more deserving of scrutiny than most Presidents. Why don't you calm down & let the process work its way. You may be surprised by the result.
     
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    A house committee already has access to financial documents thanks to those supoenas/court rulings. And they have provided further justification for Pelosi's "investigate, not impeach" strategy.

    So not meaningless.
     
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    He's a disgrace.
     
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    I gotta say that is probably the best post I've ever read of yours... well said...

    I think the Hitler admiration was gone long before war invasions outside of German... He was probably pretty safe up until 1938, but the occupation of the Rhineland in 36 and the annexation of Austria and Kristallnacht was the end of that...

    Also, you cannot remotely compare the "power" of FDR and Hitler.... of course it was more difficult for FDR to engage in war, with a free press and a Congress...
     
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    Clinton, Bush Jr., and Obama were all capable of working with Congress despite being subjected to cruel statements and investigations from Congress.

    Trump is purely incapable of compartamentalizing negative news.
     
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    He is your POTUS for 6 more years.

    Unless you impeach that is, in which case you get Pence, and Trump ain't going to go softly into the night.
     
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    You should slide into a Political Science class.
     
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    Not one of yours.
     
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    You show little evidence of understanding how government works.
     
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    You wouldn't pass.
     
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    He's not going to answer that, so I will

    235 (through today) - 17 have gone through the Senate and been signed by Trump (7.2%) - With 2 vetoes

    Approx 143 days since this Congress started (counting weekends) so 1.64 pieces per day...

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/23/poli...se-democrats-do-nothing-fact-check/index.html
     
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