Yes, in both cases, a child will die. I don't think either is expendable. I think all children should live. A rape victim can choose to have the baby. She isn't forced to have an abortion. A rape victim is not pregnant because of her decision to have sex. Why would you you force her to give birth to her rapist's child? It's wrong in both cases. But I am not in favor of punishing rape victims. Rape is not a sex act. It's an act of violence. Why you keep comparing rape victims to slutty women is crazy. I'm willing to make an exception for rape victims because I have compassion, something pro-abortion people lack. Because the life of a child is at stake, that's why! Why do you hate children?
Abusive boyfriends or husbands, controlling parents or relatives, teachers or people of authority who may have abused the woman and even gotten her pregnant, and pimps. So all or nothing for you? No exception for rape victims? It's okay to that women who have consensual sex get abortions but not rape victims? They are both bad. I've said so. No, it's an innocent child. Then maybe be responsible and use birth control. Your words not mine. They say women want to have control over their body but can't be responsible to take control of their body by taking birth control?
NO, in both cases a fetus dies. BUT yet you are fine with the rape VICTIOM'S FETUS BEING EXPENDABLE. why ARE YOU WRIGGLING ANS SQUIGGLING AND TRYING TO DANCE AROPUND THE fact THAT YOU THINK WOMEN WHO HAVE CONSENSUAL SEX MUST BE PUNISHED??? I never said I would force a rape victim to give birth Why would YOU force any women to give birth? THERE IT IS ! The ADMISSION THAT YOU ARE PUNISHING WOMEN BY FORCING THEM TO GESTATE because they had consensual sex. LOL! Uh, it may be an act of violence but the sex part can make a woman pregnant...WHY are you now denying that rape can make a woman pregnant?? NOTE: POSTER THINKS WOMEN WHO AREN"T RAPED AND HAVE SEX ARE SLUTTY. Why do you hate a child because their father was a rapist? Why do you hate women so much that you want to force them to gestate and think that any woman who isn't raped is a slut?? That's sick misogyny and sexism.... YOU were caught in a conundrum ....you SAY a fetus is a precious child yet you change quickly if it's a rapist's fetus as if it's the fetus's fault. You want to look like you care about the poor rape victim but let slip that women who have consensual sex should be punished and are sluts.(which , BTW, is usually how all Anti-Choicers end up, the name calling of women)
. And WHY were you bringing up that irrelevancy? We're talking about how rapists and Anti-Choicers use force against women. UH, I think you should have read that statement BEFORE posting it.. LOL!!! You are in a tizzy....I never said rape victims couldn't get abortions.... What I pointed out to you was that YOU think killing a fetus is OK if the woman was raped but want to punish women who had consensual sex by forbidding them to have an abortion by saying a fetus is a child whose life should be preserved. . THAT proved that it's all about punishing women who have had consensual sex , AS YOU HAVE ADMITTED, WHY do you think the "child" (really a fetus but "child" gets more emotional mileage) of the raped woman is expendable NO one is obligated to use BC.....and why don't you campaign for people to be reponsible in other ways?? Seat belts, life jackets, speeding, distracted driving….save lives!! Tell people how irresponsible they are in ALL the ways people are irresponsible. NO, they are your words said different ways throughout this thread : ""...women who get raped and pregnant you allow to have an abortion...but punish women who had consensual sex by forcing them to gestate as if THEY did something wrong..""" NOW you disagree?? How? Don't think rape victims should be able to have abortions? Don't think women who had consensual sex should be forced to gestate? What do you disagree with in that statement????? That really is a silly statement but used by many Anti-Choicers as they're losing the argument. NO, no one is obligated to use BC and if a woman has an unwanted pregnancy she can get an abortion. Just because some women don't use birth control YOU want to take away all women's right to their own body!!??? Ridiculous!
Can you state exactly why you think abortion is wrong and women should be banned from getting abortions?
Given that less than 50% of all rapes are reported, one has to assume the possibility ANY abortion may be the woman's choice due to a rape. You can't assume otherwise.
Ah, dehumanization. This is key for pro-abortion advocates. No. I would rather she choose life. You can stop lying now, I never said that. But you would have me do it because of my pro-life beliefs. I would force women to be responsible for the life they created. I didn't force them to have sex or get pregnant, that was their choice. Did i? Some women are slutty. Some women are actual whores who get paid for sex. I said it is an innocent child that I would rather the mother give birth to. I love and respect women much more than those who treat them as sperm receptacles and force them to kill their own child. Why would you abuse women by taking their children from their wombs in a violent act of murder? Why would you allow that to be legal? Half the victims of abortion are females! All children are precious. The pro-aborts dehumanize children by calling them zygote or embryos or fetuses. I have more respect for women than you. You don't care about the psychological effects of abortion on the expectant mother. They will eventually regret killing their own child. Women who have abortions are 7 times more likely to commit suicide that those who chose to give birth. Because you asked who is forcing women to have abortions. Having children isn't a punishment. It's a joyous occasion that should be celebrated. It is odd that you consider children punishment. Why do you insist on dehumanizing children? Well it doesn't mean you can kill your own child because you think it's okay to be irresponsible. Women are by nature the incubators of the human race. That's a huge responsibility and women need to be taught to be more responsible. Why do you think a child should be punished by ripping it limb from limb because his/her mother is an irresponsible slut? Nobody is forcing to use birth control. But if you don't want to get pregnant, then be responsible.
And there it is...a woman who has sex without protection is slutty. What if the woman is not slutty at all? What if she has only had sex with one partner and used birth control because she does not want to become pregnant? We all know that birth control methods are not 100% effective. So she did everything right to avoid pregnancy, but ends up pregnant anyway? If you are for fetus rights - if you believe that life begins at conception - you would not support abortion in any case.
Responsibility also includes coming to the realization that you are not ready mentally or physically to carry a fetus to term. And the fact that you see women as only "incubators" and not real human beings with faults and fears is very telling.
It is a good incentive to report rapes and we can also check the DNA of the child to help find the rapists.
I don't support abortions in any case. I would encourage women to have the child but am willing to make an exception for them.
So you think when should be FORCED to report rape in order to rid themselves of the rapist's fetus. Ever been forced to have an invasive pelvic exam or go through a rape trail? It isn't pretty. But you don't care, because you see women as "incubators" not individuals with fears, or pain.
I think she should be forced, if she doesn't terminate soon enough after the rape. She was raped, she knows there could be a problem in there. She has no excuse to wait around more than a couple of weeks and not do anything about it, if that's the route she wants to go. Slightly more than half of rape victims in the US who wind up pregnant choose life, so abortion is not just an automatic go to in that bad situation.
Why would she wait? I mean if it was an actual rape. Rape is just being used as a convenient (but disingenuous) excuse to keep all Abortion legal. Maybe that's what this is really all about.
Well what part of that statement isn't true?! Only women have wombs! "...not real human beings..." YOUR WORDS.
If she doesn't report the rape, she's enabling the rapist to go off and rape another woman. If another woman ends up getting raped because she didn't report it, she bears some level of responsibility for that. If she doesn't report it soon after it happens, how do we know the pregnancy (5 or 6 weeks down the line) actually resulted from rape?
FoxHastings said: ↑ NO, in both cases a fetus dies. WHERE in my statement above did I dehumanize anything??? NO where. I stated a fact. Are YOU DENYING THAT ABORTION KILLS A FETUS???? If abortion doesn't kill a fetus, as you seem to think , then why are you against it??? BUT YOU SAID you would ALLOW her to have an abortion. Saying someone is lying is against Forum rules, it's flamebait. AND the little squiggly thins at the end of sentences are QUESTION MARKS. Do you have any idea what they mean? They mean it's a QUESTION. And YES, you did say YOU THINK WOMEN WHO HAVE CONSENSUAL SEX MUST BE PUNISHED by being forced to gestate, you are against women who had consensual sex having abortions.. NO, I never said that either. I said: FoxHastings said: ↑ I never said I would force a rape victim to give birth. I would rather you butted out of women's business altogether and let them live their lives without having their rights taken away. WHY? To feel good about yourself? To enjoy FORCING others to do something they don't want to do ...you ENJOY that? YOU LIKE What has that got to with :The ADMISSION THAT YOU ARE PUNISHING WOMEN BY FORCING THEM TO GESTATE because they had consensual sex. You didn't force them to have sex so now you get to rule on their lives?? WTF!!! OH, NOW it's "some" women..before it was women who got pregnant through consensual sex....FLIP FLOP BUT YOU SAID you would be OK with aborting a rapist's fetus!!! How patronizing and not surprising....and how untrue. You can't love and respect anyone if you want to take waay their rights. You have yet to show what forcing somone to kill their child has to do with this issue. I wouldn't so why are you saying I would?? SHOW PROOF OF THAT UNTRUE STATEMENT. Do you still beat your wife? I don't....that's just your vivid imagination struggling to find something to say when you have NOTHING. And the other half are males ...SO? SHOW WHERE Pro-Choicers ever said children weren't precious?? YOU CAN'T. WHEN ARE YOU EVER GOING TO BACK UP YOUR CLAPTRAP WITH PROOF OR FACTS? NEVER> Why would you automatically respect all women? HOW PATRONIZING AND DEHUMAIZING! You cannot have respect for anyone and attempt to take away their right to their own body! Stuff your "respect You don't care about the psychological and physical harm of pregnant women. NO, most of them report feeling relief...see, I went to the source, the women, YOU just think up stuff. BULLCRAP. And YOU never answered OH ANOTHER GRAND " misinterpretation" on your part.....I never said having children was a punishment and YOU AS USUAL can't prove I did. Being FORCED to gestate IS PUNISHMENT, the punishment you said women who have consensual sex should ace. That's your silly way of getting out of answering : FoxHastings said: ↑ WHY do you think the "child" (really a fetus but "child" gets more emotional mileage) of the raped woman is expendable I never said it was... If that wasn't so sexist, antiquated and misogynistic it would be funny....that anyone can think that way in the 21st century is a laugh riot... I NEVER said that. And there ya go again calling a woman, WHO YOU CLAIM TO RESPECT, a slut.. WHO TF are YOU to dictate to others what is or isn't responsible...
FoxHastings said: ↑ Can you state exactly why you think abortion is wrong and women should be banned from getting abortions? So why is it OK with YOU to abort a rapist's baby?
This post is becoming too long and filled with strawman arguments and falsehoods. If you'd like to tone it down a bit and speak respectfully I'll be more than happy to discuss the abortion Holocaust with you civilly one subject at a time.
